[PEN-L:10951] Re: religion

1997-06-19 Thread Curtis Moore
Dear Mr. Williamson, I have enjoyed reading your posts on PEN-l. Recently I looked at your web page and noting your background wondered if you might help me with the following: Request #1. Perhaps with your contacts you could help me locate a book. Sometime ago I heard about a manuscript by D

[PEN-L:10950] Re: OOps

1997-06-19 Thread Curtis Moore
Sorry. I accidentally sent to the list what was meant to be an off-line message to thwilliamson. Curtis Moore

[PEN-L:10949] Does A Multi-Party System Mean Democracy?

1997-06-19 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, The ruling class puts forward the notion that the "free market system," "free and fair elections," and the "multi-party system" are cornerstones of democracy. Clinton and the US Government go around the world insisting that a country can only be democratic if they have these

[PEN-L:10948] Re: Real Life Question

1997-06-19 Thread William S. Lear
On Thu, June 19, 1997 at 09:44:33 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes: >I do not claim expertise in US history, but to my understanding, the US >party system is indeed democratic, albeit in a somewhat perverted way. > ... >Although the system itself is a perversion of democracy, it is nonetheless >de

[PEN-L:10947] prison labor {was Juneteenth}

1997-06-19 Thread James Devine
Max writes:>> Clearly prisoners are being exploited as workers and this diminishes the well-being of workers who aren't incarcerated. At the same time, for some convicts the chance to work at some jobs, even for a pittance, is probably seen as very valuable.<< I do think it's good for convicts to

[PEN-L:10946] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread Stephen E Philion
If they're allowed to work, unions should be allowed to unionize'em. Steve > > Clearly prisoners are being exploited as workers and this > diminishes the well-being of workers who aren't incarcerated. At > the same time, for some convicts the chance to work at some jobs, > even for a pittan

[PEN-L:10945] World Bank 22 June Toronto (fwd)

1997-06-19 Thread D Shniad
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:43:53 -0400 (EDT) > From: sage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ENDORSES KNOWLEDGE AND TECHNOLOGY REVOLUTION > > TORONTO, June 18 /CNW/ - More than 1,400 people involved in > international development and information techn

[PEN-L:10944] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread Elaine Bernard
The issue of prison labor is actually a fairly tricky one. Human rights groups, and others generally do not seek to ban prison labor (as it's often one of the few things that make time in prison livable). But they recognize the problem of "forced prison labor" and it's competition and underminin

[PEN-L:10943] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
> On the persistence of slavery, what about the use of prison labor to > produce commodities, both in the US and, under the aegis of the > multinationals, in market-stalinist China? There are also the reports of slavery in some African nations, and some prison is clearly coerced, so I agree th

[PEN-L:10942] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread Doug Henwood
James Devine wrote: >On the persistence of slavery, what about the use of prison labor to >produce commodities, both in the US and, under the aegis of the >multinationals, in market-stalinist China? Robin Blackburn quoted an estimate from the ILO of 150 million slaves and/or bonded workers worl

[PEN-L:10941] re: Juneteenth

1997-06-19 Thread James Devine
Thanks for the outpouring of information on Juneteenth. It's quite appropriate that today the L.A. TIMES notes the spread of the celebration of this holiday to Southern California. On the persistence of slavery, what about the use of prison labor to produce commodities, both in the US and, under

[PEN-L:10940] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Gordon Taylor
I want to make clear that I was not for one nano-second denying the genoicdal nature of Nazism. I am well aware that the crimes of the Third Reich are even m more inhumane then anything that happened under Stalin or Mao. The Nazis plan was to wipe entire races off the face of the earth, and were q

[PEN-L:10939] Canadian poll data on NAFTA?

1997-06-19 Thread NAIMAN @ CITIZEN * Robert Naiman
ken, sid, other canadian comrades do you have any recent canadian poll data on public attitudes towards NAFTA? thanks, -bob Robert Naiman Senior Researcher Public Citizen -- Global Trade Watch 215 Pennsylvania Ave SE Washington, DC 20003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 202-546-4996 x 302

[PEN-L:10938] Re: re: re: re: religion

1997-06-19 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, >I think that one basis for the persistence of religion can be seen in the >following adult/child dialogue, which I believe is fairly typical: > >adult: don't do that! > .. . . > >adult: because God said to honor your father and mother. > >Not only do parents find themselves

[PEN-L:10937] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Peter Bohmer wrote: > Gordon Taylor made a few mistakes on his history of slavery and I > disagree with his analysis of Communism. > > Slavery lasted into the 1880's in Cuba and Brazil. > > Equating Communism and Nazism is a favorite ploy of those who are >

[PEN-L:10936] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Gordon Taylor wrote: > In response to the person who was wondering if the US was the last nation to > abolish slavery: A number of Islamic nations OFFICIALLY maintained the > "peculiar institution" into the 1960's, until world opinion forced them to stop > the pr

[PEN-L:10935] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Peter Bohmer
Gordon Taylor made a few mistakes on his history of slavery and I disagree with his analysis of Communism. Slavery lasted into the 1880's in Cuba and Brazil. Equating Communism and Nazism is a favorite ploy of those who are downplaying the genocidal nature of Nazism, see the excellent column

[PEN-L:10934] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Gordon Taylor
In response to the person who was wondering if the US was the last nation to abolish slavery: A number of Islamic nations OFFICIALLY maintained the "peculiar institution" into the 1960's, until world opinion forced them to stop the practice. Many Islamic nations still allow it to go on unofficiall

[PEN-L:10933] Re: Real Life Question

1997-06-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 04:00 PM 6/18/97 -0700, Bill Lear wrote: >On Wed, June 18, 1997 at 11:27:01 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes: >>While I share Bill's principle of honest and open debate, I also recognise >>the limits of the rational discourse. ... > >There is a difference between visions of the future and myth

[PEN-L:10932] RE: Price Index Question

1997-06-19 Thread Eric Nilsson
Dave Richardson wrote: > 3) It is generally thought that we under adjust for quality. How my > I obtain a copy of the article so that I can consider Moulton's > arguments? Charles Hulton, "Quality Change in the CPI: Some Missing Links," _Challenge_, March-April 1997, pp. 48-74. Charles Hult

[PEN-L:10931] re: re: re: religion

1997-06-19 Thread James Devine
I think that one basis for the persistence of religion can be seen in the following adult/child dialogue, which I believe is fairly typical: adult: don't do that! kid: why not? adult: it's not safe! kid: why not? adult: you could poke out your eye. kid: no I won't. adult: don't do it anyw

[PEN-L:10930] Re: Progressive Web Sites

1997-06-19 Thread Andrew English
Other web sites: Cyner Picket Line, a global union site based in the UK[D[D[D

[PEN-L:10929] Fwd: Is globalisation inevitable and desirable? (fwd)

1997-06-19 Thread Harry M. Cleaver
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[PEN-L:10928] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Andrew English
Juneteenth celebrates the date that news of the emancipation proclamation reached Black slaves in the southwest, which was later than in the rest of the Union-controlled territory. It is celebrated in the African-American communities in Texas and Arizona, and possibly other states. -Andy Englis

[PEN-L:10927] Re: juneteenth?

1997-06-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
June 19th 1865, I believe, is the day slaves were freed in Texas -- which was in a more than usually ambiguous status during and right after the Civil War. I wonder if that makes Texas the last place on earth to have abolished slavery? Brazil? There is a celebration of June teenth in Anacostia, a