[PEN-L:11287] Re: econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread Doug Henwood
bill mitchell wrote: >>"Money is a kind of poetry." - Wallace Stevens. > >hi Doug Hi Bill. >i am not sure of what this means. is money beautiful and complex and >rhythmic, and ..? Well, Wallace Stevens was a right-wing insurance company lawyer to start with, who said in an early 1950s lett

[PEN-L:11286] Re: China's Overcapacity

1997-07-14 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, July 14, 1997 at 18:11:16 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes: >rakesh bhandari wrote: >> >> I would like to submit for analysis this passage by Joesph Kahn from >> today's WSJ "China's Overcapacity Crimps Neighbors:Glut Swamps Southeast >> Asia's Exports, Roiling Currencies" (A10): > >This

[PEN-L:11285] Re:econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread HANLY
In responding to Jim Devine, Tom Walker writes: Grr. One of the great disservices that positivism has done for north american intellectuals is to persuade them that poetry is "about emotions". At the risk of committing a similar reduction, poetry is "about how language works" and thus can be

[PEN-L:11284] Re: China's Overcapacity

1997-07-14 Thread Michael Perelman
rakesh bhandari wrote: > > I would like to submit for analysis this passage by Joesph Kahn from > today's WSJ "China's Overcapacity Crimps Neighbors:Glut Swamps Southeast > Asia's Exports, Roiling Currencies" (A10): This is one of the main thesis of Greider, William. 1997. One World, Ready or N

[PEN-L:11283] Re: econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread bill mitchell
At 05:23 PM 7/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >bill mitchell wrote: > >>Econometrics is a highly sophisticated art form and has an aesthetic >>aspect that takes some beating. the beauty of the data and the models >>and the dynamic interactions and covariances and the wonderful >>patterns of long and short

[PEN-L:11282] Re: econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread Doug Henwood
bill mitchell wrote: >Econometrics is a highly sophisticated art form and has an aesthetic >aspect that takes some beating. the beauty of the data and the models >and the dynamic interactions and covariances and the wonderful >patterns of long and short run models, and the sheer intellectual dept

[PEN-L:11281] China's Overcapacity

1997-07-14 Thread rakesh bhandari
I would like to submit for analysis this passage by Joesph Kahn from today's WSJ "China's Overcapacity Crimps Neighbors:Glut Swamps Southeast Asia's Exports, Roiling Currencies" (A10): "Fed by overinvestment, China has built up a glut of manufacturing capacity so huge that the country could prod

[PEN-L:11280] Re: Forwarded mail... (fwd)

1997-07-14 Thread D Shniad
> >> From: Seth Klein, Coordinator, CCPA - BC Office > >> > >> RE: APEC > >> > >> The APEC leaders summit will take place in Vancouver this November. > >> A parallel People's Summit on APEC will also be taking place > >> between Nov. 19 and 24, during which a number of issue forums will occur. > >

[PEN-L:11279] Re: econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread bill mitchell
At 02:03 PM 7/14/97 -0700, you wrote: >Jim Devine writes, >> But models and econometrics can give one a greater understanding of what >> may be true. And Eric writes > >As any formal model and any econometric study depend on >untestable and/or artificial ancillary assumptions I'm not sure how >o

[PEN-L:11278] The Computer Delusion (Atlantic Monthly)

1997-07-14 Thread D Shniad
The Atlantic MonthlyJuly 1997 THE COMPUTER DELUSION by Todd Oppenheimer There is no good evidence that most uses of computers significantly improve teaching and learning, yet school districts are cutting programs -- musi

[PEN-L:11277] econometrics as poetry

1997-07-14 Thread James Devine
Eric, I think we basically agree, though of course it is epistemologically impossible to _know_ whether or not it is "true" that we agree, just as the meaning of "truth" is impossible to define or even grasp. ;-) Or as jesting Pilate asked, "what is truth?" Seriously, we have to _assume_ that t

[PEN-L:11276] Re: Orthodoxy + Addendum

1997-07-14 Thread James Michael Craven
James Craven writes that >1) neoclassicals use models n' metric and, worse, >2) advancement in the neoclassical world requires the >production of models n' metrics > THEREFORE > 3) the use of models n' metrics should be avoided. > I'm not sure how 1 & 2 imply 3. If the abov

[PEN-L:11275] Algeria - Gross Injustice & Militarism Prevail (fwd)

1997-07-14 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
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[PEN-L:11274] Re: Orthodoxy + Addendum

1997-07-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
James Craven writes that 1) neoclassicals use models n' metric and, worse, 2) advancement in the neoclassical world requires the production of models n' metrics THEREFORE 3) the use of models n' metrics should be avoided. I'm not sure how 1 & 2 imply 3. If the above is true, how

[PEN-L:11273] Re:econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, >I disagree. Poetry, etc., is basically "about" human emotions. That's >important stuff, but there's more to life than emotion. Formal models and >empirical work, if done right, help us as a guide to political practice (or >for Max, policy), understanding the past, or even (cond

[PEN-L:11272] Re: econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
Jim Devine writes, > But models and econometrics can give one a greater understanding of what > may be true. As any formal model and any econometric study depend on untestable and/or artificial ancillary assumptions I'm not sure how one can distinguish between models/empirical results that are

[PEN-L:11271] Orthodoxy + Addendum

1997-07-14 Thread James Michael Craven
I was cut off previously Some time ago Dave Colander and Bob Coats put out a book of readings entitled "The Dissemination of Economic Ideas". They suggested that some of the concepts of "mainstream" and not-so-mainstream economics be systematically applied to the economic profession in partic

[PEN-L:11270] Economic "Orthodoxy"

1997-07-14 Thread James Michael Craven
Some time ago Dave Colander and Bob Coats put out a book of readings entitled "The Dissemination of Economic Ideas". They suggested that some of the concepts of "mainstream" and not-so-mainstream economics be systematically applied to the economic profession in particular and academia in gener

[PEN-L:11269] DPRK United In Overcoming Food Shortages

1997-07-14 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. --3F1933016C78 The people of the DPRK have faced the adversity caused by two years o

[PEN-L:11268] Capitalism Cannot Provide For The People: There Is An Alternative (Canada)

1997-07-14 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. --10487C63789C Stop Paying the Rich Increase Funding for Social Programs The more t

[PEN-L:11267] econometrics and all that

1997-07-14 Thread James Devine
Eric N. writes that: >>Assertations that claims about power relations can't be operationalized or subjected to formal "hypothesis testing" are silly.<< Agreed. I think there's a lot of unjustified antagonism toward econometric hypothesis testing among "heterodox" economists. Econometrics, like ne

[PEN-L:11266] Re: bingo

1997-07-14 Thread Tom Walker
The only question that matters is "will it sell books?" After reading Isaac's vitriol, I'd rush out to buy a copy of Wall Street (if I didn't already have one on order). > PAUL J. ISAAC considers himself a Wall Streeter. Regards, Tom Walker

[PEN-L:11265] Re: on CEO Pay

1997-07-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
Middle-aged Doug Henwood writes: >Speaking of power & neoclassicals, what do the econometrically >numerate make of the Bowles/Gintis efforts to incorporate power >inequities into neoclassical models? (Disclaimer: I did my dissertation with Sam Bowles). I think their attempt to introduce power in

[PEN-L:11264] Re: on CEO Pay

1997-07-14 Thread Eric Nilsson
RE the discussion on logical positivism, testing, operationization of concepts, and related stuff: 1) Coincidentially, I am today working on an econometric paper that "tests" whether workers have relatively more power in a capitalist economy then they do in a democratic state. Assertations that

[PEN-L:11263] Re: on CEO Pay

1997-07-14 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 12:35 AM 7/14/97 -0700, Ken Hanly wrote, inter alia: > My understanding of the logical positivists is that they do not require >operational definitions. Indeed a positivist interpretation of a neo-classical >model would surely be that it is a deductive system in which the concepts are >u

[PEN-L:11262] Re: bingo

1997-07-14 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 08:43 AM 7/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >Apologies if this seems too self-promotional. > >Paul J. Isaac may "consider himself a Wall Streeter," as his i.d. line >says, but last I heard, he was unemployed because he lost piles of money >during one of the great bull markets in human history. > >Doug

[PEN-L:11261] Re: on CEO Pay

1997-07-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Speaking of power & neoclassicals, what do the econometrically numerate make of the Bowles/Gintis efforts to incorporate power inequities into neoclassical models? Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice +1-212-874-3137 fax email

[PEN-L:11260] $$$$

1997-07-14 Thread Stephen E Philion
This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. --4415ABD44D0 NY Times > July 13, 1997 > > Forbes' Richest Peop

[PEN-L:11259] Re: on CEO Pay

1997-07-14 Thread HANLY
James Craven writes: Someone wrote: (Why is it that non-neoclassical economists avoid the issue of power?) > They don't. Response: It is just the opposite. It is the neoclassicals, usually under the influence of some form of philosophical positivism, that consider "power" to squishy and