[PEN-L:12401] Re: slurs

1997-09-17 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 12:15 16/09/97 -0700, Jim D. wrote: In response to my sermonette, Ajit Sinha writes: I'm sorry I don't understand what this is all about. Sounds more like Jorge Bush and Denesh DeSuza led attack on "pc" even though "pc" was their own creation and not Duke University's. Ajit, I know you

[PEN-L:12404] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-17 Thread Colin Danby
I think Maggie Coleman is quite right that one can offer a critique of non-Western cultural practices (i.e dowry, widow burning) without being a cultural chauvinist. May I ask what it means to call something a "cultural practice"? In the media, and to undergrads I teach, it means that the

[PEN-L:12405] LatAm is where it's happening, say consultants (fwd)

1997-09-17 Thread Michael Hoover
Forwarded message: Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Victor O. Story" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ATWS [EMAIL PROTECTED], chiapas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LatAm is where it's happening, say consultants (fwd) SAO PAULO, Brazil, Sept

[PEN-L:12409] re: slurs

1997-09-17 Thread James Devine
I wrote: In response to my sermonette, Ajit Sinha writes: I'm sorry I don't understand what this is all about. Sounds more like Jorge Bush and Denesh DeSuza led attack on "pc" even though "pc" was their own creation and not Duke University's. Ajit, I know you reject politeness as "middle

[PEN-L:12408] not gruntled

1997-09-17 Thread James Devine
Terry McD writes: Politically correct" was used within Maoism as a term of self satire, meaning, as Jim states, holding overly rigid views. I'm not sure this term was used widely on the left, I know for a fact that the term "PC" had the satiric meaning in the non-Maoist left, at least in the SF

[PEN-L:12414] Re: slurs

1997-09-17 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Ajit Sinha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:12401] Re: slurs Let me add one thing here. The problem here could be cultural as well. I hope I'm not condemning all Indians of impolitness, but it is true that Indians argue among friends with a lot of passion and not much

[PEN-L:12417] slurs (II)

1997-09-17 Thread James Devine
Oops. I missed the following in Ajit's missive, which might have been misinterpreted as a comment by me: Let me add one thing here. The problem here could be cultural as well. I hope I'm not condemning all Indians of impolitness, but it is true that Indians argue among friends with a lot of

[PEN-L:12420] Re: August Unemployment Figures (Canada)

1997-09-17 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Doug Henwood wrote: Shawgi A. Tell wrote: Unemployment figures for August reveal a continuation of the chronic high levels of unemployment which is one of the features of the deepening crisis of the capitalist system, referred to as the "jobless recovery."

[PEN-L:12422] Re: language-t

1997-09-17 Thread tom wood
Richard Duchesne wrote: What about pre-linguistic mental capacities, say in the first two years of a child? This is possible, but should we call that "thinking"? Are you saying learning is possible without thinking? If so, then a child learns nothing during the "pre-linguistic" period of life.

[PEN-L:12423] WSJ on UNCTAD report

1997-09-17 Thread Sid Shniad
The Wall Street Journal September 16, 1997 International: The Dark Side of Freer Global Markets U.N. REPORT FORESEES WORKER BACKLASH By Bhushan Bahree Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal GENEVA -- Western industrialized nations are the leaders so

[PEN-L:12424] Re: August Unemployment Figures (Canada)

1997-09-17 Thread Doug Henwood
Shawgi A. Tell wrote: It's relevant to keep in mind that "official" data is inaccurate. "Official" data often portrays a rosier picture than what is actually the case, as if roughly 5% unemployment were acceptable. The fact of the matter is that millions of Americans remain unemployed

[PEN-L:12429] Re: Not gruntled

1997-09-17 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-09-17 12:12:02 EDT, you write: So the task for non-rigid Marxians and other socialists is to take the insights of postmodernism (about language, about the construction of subjects) and move beyond them - to devise a non-vulgar foundationalism, and to rethink class as the

[PEN-L:12431] Re: slurs

1997-09-17 Thread Paul Zarembka
I have had a lot of heated exchanges with Ajit over the years and yet we are still good friends and Ajit is VERY capable of laughing at himself in the middle of a fierce discussion! I could say that I have joined the Indian cultural space Ajit refers to, except that that space is also shared by

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1997-09-17 Thread d. price
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[PEN-L:12430] Re: August Unemployment Figures (Canada)

1997-09-17 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Doug Henwood wrote: Shawgi A. Tell wrote: It's relevant to keep in mind that "official" data is inaccurate. "Official" data often portrays a rosier picture than what is actually the case, as if roughly 5% unemployment were acceptable. The fact of

[PEN-L:12427] CFP: Globalization from Below

1997-09-17 Thread Jon Beasley-Murray
please post and forward... "Globalization From Below: Contingency and Contestation in Historical Perspective" an international conference at Duke University, Durham, NC February 5th-8th, 1998 Second call for papers: abstracts due

[PEN-L:12428] Re: August Unemployment Figures (Canada)

1997-09-17 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 11:44 AM 9/17/97 -0700, Doug Henwood wrote: Shawgi A. Tell wrote: It's relevant to keep in mind that "official" data is inaccurate. "Official" data often portrays a rosier picture than what is actually the case, as if roughly 5% unemployment were acceptable. The fact of the matter is

[PEN-L:12426] Re: Consistency and Respect

1997-09-17 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Colin, I have been off-line for a few days trying to get bugs out of my new computer. So I just came across your message when I back online today. On reflection, I think you are right (about my failure not my smarts). Thanks for calling me to account. I'll try to do better in the future.

[PEN-L:12425] Riding the Rails

1997-09-17 Thread Louis Proyect
When Michael Uys and Lexy Lovell decided to make a documentary about teenagers who rode the rails during the Great Depression, they placed an ad in "Modern Maturity", the magazine of the American Association of Retired People (AARP). To their astonishment, they received 3,000 moving and detailed

Re: [PEN-L:12415] Re: Not gruntled

1997-09-17 Thread Peter Dorman
I'll bite on Doug's bait. While I'm not at all a fan of pomo et al., I also don't think it's fair to say that Sokal nailed it in any fundamental way. What I think he showed is a sociological flaw in the pomo community: an unhealthy stew of sycophancy, opportunism, and pretension that should (as

[PEN-L:12421] re: Affluenza/Running Out of Time

1997-09-17 Thread Brent McClintock, Prof. Economics
Given the discussion on the list re the Affluenza program, it's interesting to note the differences in the earlier Running Out of Time documentary (1994), also fronted by Scott Simon and produced by Oregon Public Broadcasting KCTS/Seattle. I think Oregon PBS produced the Affluenza

[PEN-L:12418] Asia Pacific Soilidarity Conference (fwd)

1997-09-17 Thread Sid Shniad
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:37:53 +1000 ASIA PACIFIC SOLIDARITY CONFERENCE: SYDNEY AUSTRALIA APRIL 1998 GLEBE HIGH SCHOOL, GLEBE ALL WELCOME Organised by the Asia Pacific Institute for Democratisation and Development. Contact: Dr Helen Jarvis, C/-School of

[PEN-L:12419] apec-L: Creating Democracy in Vancouver (fwd)

1997-09-17 Thread Sid Shniad
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: The Vancouver International of Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: apec-L: Creating Democracy in Vancouver To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 2576647c158dc374e67452ac7e325bc2

[PEN-L:12415] Re: Not gruntled

1997-09-17 Thread Doug Henwood
Terrence Mc Donough wrote: I also think this discussion is a small manifestation of an ongoing process which is of more importance. With the Sokal affair marking a turning point, the Marxist left has sought to distinguish itself from identity politics and its theoretical manifestation in pomo,

[PEN-L:12413] wriston@paradise.com

1997-09-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This week I have been reading Walter Wriston's feisty little 1992 book "The Twilight of Sovereignty, etc," an exuberant paean to a galactic world of knowledge workers the "limits to growth" people never knew. Wriston takes a whole chapter to trash the common instruments of economic measurement,

[PEN-L:12412] Re: slurs

1997-09-17 Thread Tom Walker
maggie coleman wrote, In a message dated 97-09-16 03:51:58 EDT, Tom Walker writes: 3. All resolutions of the 1969 Conventions of the Students for a Democratic Society are to be published in Durruti. It is our conviction that these resolutions will be at least, if not more, meaningful to

[PEN-L:12410] New Business Week Poll on NAFTA expansion

1997-09-17 Thread Robert Naiman
Business Week September 22, 1997 BW/HARRIS POLL: FREER TRADE GETS AN UNFRIENDLY RECEPTION President Clinton kicked off his campaign to secure ''fast track'' authority to negotiate trade deals on

[PEN-L:12411] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-17 Thread anzalone/starbird
I think it is true that the (catholic) church has not always been monolithic on the subject of the poor. (Or women for that matter; St. Bernadette the patron saint of Ireland for instance ran abbys and performed at least one abortion, two unusual things the church today would not have smiled

[PEN-L:12407] August Unemployment Figures (Canada)

1997-09-17 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Unemployment figures for August reveal a continuation of the chronic high levels of unemployment which is one of the features of the deepening crisis of the capitalist system, referred to as the "jobless recovery." The official unemployment rate in August remained 9 percent for the second

[PEN-L:12406] Cuban Communist Party Prepares For Fifth Congress

1997-09-17 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
The Cuban Communist Party is carrying out preparations for its Fifth Congress, to be held in Havana from October 8-10. The Party has just concluded broad-based discussions on the document The Party of Unity, Democracy and the Human Rights We Defend which will be presented in its final form for

[PEN-L:12403] Not gruntled

1997-09-17 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Jim D. writes about the origin of PC within Maoism. He is partly correct (pc). "Political incorrectness" was current within Maoism to describe views, actions, speech practices etc. which analysis could demonstrate had politically negative consequences, i.e. retarded the advent of socialism.

[PEN-L:12402] Re: the beautiful poor

1997-09-17 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 11:53 16/09/97 -0700, Ricardo D. wrote: I think Maggie Coleman is quite right that one can offer a critique of non-Western cultural practices (i.e dowry, widow burning) without being a cultural chauvinist. The real dilemma here is to what values does one appeal in conducting such a