The Next Battle: MAI (Progressive Populist)

1998-01-05 Thread J Cullen
___ THE PROGRESSIVE POPULIST: A MONTHLY JOURNAL FROM THE HEARTLAND January 1998 -- Volume 4, Number 1 ___ EDITORIAL The Next Battle: MAI The good news is that the move to stop "Fast Tr

Re: Moral appeasement of capitalism

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Quoth Mark Jones, in part: > Such a post-capitalist world will be in the truest sense sustainable: > a post-scientific, post-industrial world, a world of social stasis as > the true precondition for HUMAN development and for the regeneration of > now-failing ecosystems, a world in which time will

Mythologising native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread James Heartfield
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > The slave-plantation system was not only integrated into the >world circuits of proto-capitalism and then early industrial capitalism, >it was at the heart of so-called 'primitive accumulation'. There is a >wealth of research

Peoples' Global Action founding conference

1998-01-05 Thread valis
> This was originally posted by Sid on December 1st, so maybe it's time for a re-run. (Since, as is mentioned at the conclusion, the Swiss visa procedure may be the world's most difficult, the question of the choice of Geneva may long outlive some of the resolu

Re: Mythologising native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Heartfield: > What I >was saying was that the 100 000 Pennsylvania Dutch who squatted land in >the eighteenth century after escaping indentured servitude could not be >described as capitalists or landlords. There are many landless peasants who are invading the Yanomami Amazon rainforest homeland

Research -- Economics of Pornography?

1998-01-05 Thread Frederick S. Lane III
Hello -- I'm writing the Pen-L list to ask for assistance with two specific questions as part of my research for a book, tentatively entitled "Obscene Profits : Becoming a Pornographer in the 21st Century" (scheduled for publication by Routledge in Setp. 1998): 1. Is anyone aware of any stu

Re: Village idiocy revisited

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Quoth Wojtek, in conclusion: > The Bushmen had no way of knowing that anthropologists could replenish their > water supply in a very short period of time; they thought that the few > canisters on the expedition's truck was all the water they got. Yet, the > first to receive water were those who n

Re: royalty

1998-01-05 Thread valis
Doug muses: > So tickets went on sale for Diana's gravesite, at the equivalent of US$15. [$8 for minors] > Proceeds will benefit her memorial charity. She married into one of the > most pointlessly rich families in the world, and yet her frenzied mourners > are going to fund her legacy. Get over

Village idiocy revisited

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
Yet another anecdote to consider when comparing cognitive ability of rural vs urban folks. Some time ago I saw a documentary about the !Kung Bushmen of the Kalahari desert - the only known surving hunting and gathering tribe on Earth. The fact that their culture survived almost intact until rece

Re: cm150-l-digest V1 #3

1998-01-05 Thread valis
> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 22:55:28 -0500 (EST) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: The Communist Manifesto After 150 Years > > Dear Renee Pendergrass, Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:19:20 + > From: Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> < > Subject: The Manifesto I suppose it would be ni

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 10:09 AM 1/5/98 -0800, Michael Eisenscher wrote, in response to Louis Proyect questioning the accuracy of the "rural idiocy" phrase: >Second question: Is our objection as critics of capitalism (and dare I say, >proponents of socialism) to urbanization per se or to capitalism and its >consequen

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Robert Saute, CUNY Grad Center
Doug, You might want to look at: Klein, Laura & Lilian Ackerman (eds.) Women and Power in Native North America (1995 Norman, OK) Bernstein, David J. Prehistoric Subsistence on the Southern New England Coast (1993 San Diego) Simmons, Wm. S. The Narragansett (1989 NY) Sharer, Robert T

Blair continues attack on welfare recipients

1998-01-05 Thread Sid Shniad
[The # sign below represents British pounds.] The GuardianMonday January 5, 1998 BENEFIT CUTS REAP £3.2BN EVEN BEFORE WELFARE REVIEW By David Hencke Westminster Correspondent Benefit cuts totalling £3.2 billion are to be imposed by

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Sid Shniad
Louise Erdrich. Great author. Wonderful insights. Love Medicine is the second title. Sid > > I liked "Bingo Palace". I can't remember the woman's name who wrote it, she > also wrote Heart Medicine? (or Love Medicine?) or something like that and > "Beets... something" I know it's very current,

How Indians Became Sick and Died

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
I picked up David E. Stannard's "American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World" at lunch from the ever-rewarding Labyrinth Bookstore. He makes some interesting points about the circumstances in which epidemics caused the deaths of upwards of 90% of the Indian populations. It must be understood

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Michael Eisenscher: >Pardon my intervention in this fascinating discussion, but weren't Marx and >Engels referring to "rural idiocy" in the context of rural life in the >transition from feudalism to capitalism in which the rural population was >imprisoned by superstition, ignorance, and technical

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread anzalone/starbird
I liked "Bingo Palace". I can't remember the woman's name who wrote it, she also wrote Heart Medicine? (or Love Medicine?) or something like that and "Beets... something" I know it's very current, were you looking for olden days stories? I'll dig you up a better reference if you don't mind reading

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Eisenscher wrote: >Last question: For those who are tempted to romanticize the lives of >Amazonian indians or the simplicity of rural life, how many currently have >adopted anything approaching that kind of lifestyle? >From Yahoo! 411: > Jerry & Anica ManderBolinas,CA 94924 > Kirkpa

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Thanks to everyone who's supplied titles on Indians. Most have been about their decimation by the Europeans - I'm more interested in stuff about their social lives - work, kinship, property, etc. Any ideas? Doug

royalty

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
So tickets went on sale for Diana's gravesite, at the equivalent of US$15. Proceeds will benefit her memorial charity. She married into one of the most pointlessly rich families in the world, and yet her frenzied mourners are going to fund her legacy. Doug

Scholarship opportunity

1998-01-05 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
Enclosed is a posting re. scholarship opportunity for foreign scholars working on urban issues. If interested, please respond directly to Naomi Feigenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED], the program coordinator (do not respond to me). Regards, wojtek sokolowski >Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Mon

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Peter Bohmer
See the book edited by Annette James, "The State of Native America". It was published by South End press in 1992 or 1993. there ar many excellent articles dealing with land, fishing rights, water, governance, and resistance. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Doug Henwood wrote: > Thanks to everyone who's

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, January 5, 1998 at 13:23:13 (-0500) Doug Henwood writes: >Thanks to everyone who's supplied titles on Indians. Most have been about >their decimation by the Europeans - I'm more interested in stuff about >their social lives - work, kinship, property, etc. Any ideas? You might try: Alvin

Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
>My problem with Shiva is her gender essentialism, her romanticism about >India's pre-colonial past, her hypocrisy in leading a very cosmopolitan >life while recommending that everyone else stay at home, and a very >un-nuanced rejection of technology. Just because Monsanto is using biotech >to scr

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread James Michael Craven
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Re: M-I: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: >This is the 150th anniversery of the Communist Manifesto. Mike Albert's >attack on the Manifesto has been circulating on the Internet and is the >subject of an intense debate on Marxism-International between Doug Henwood >and Chris Warren, a dogmatist from Australia. The iro

Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread James Heartfield
A great smoke screen of abuse and posturing has been blown up by Louis Proyect and Mark Jones, after Lou Godena dared to disgree with their romanticisation of native American culture. Accusations like FBI agent, racist, pro-imperialist are thrown about, not with any intent to clarify matters, but

Re: M-I: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
>The unlikely question of whether the north American tribes or the >Zemstvos represent missed opportunity is surely a laughably academic one >- unless of course Proyect is suggesting that we go back to that stage, >before going forward again to socialism: the most extreme version of the >theory of

Re: Mythologising Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Pardon my intervention in this fascinating discussion, but weren't Marx and Engels referring to "rural idiocy" in the context of rural life in the transition from feudalism to capitalism in which the rural population was imprisoned by superstition, ignorance, and technical backwardness in subservi

Heartfield's Myths

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
James wrote: > The first was wholly reactionary: the plantation system, which as Marx > explains in 'The American Civil War', was driven to expand extensively > because, depending on slave labour, it was incapable of intensive > devlopment. Yields could only be increased by taking more land under

Re: Marx on Native Americans

1998-01-05 Thread Bill Burgess
> Doug Henwood wrote: > > > > Can anyone recommend anything good to read on Native Americans/Indians? > I found Ronald Wright's _Stolen Continents_ a real education. His account of the Spanish conquest is incredible. If I remember correctly, Wright estimates that 9/10s of the Indian population

Re: Marx on Native Americans -Reply

1998-01-05 Thread Tim Stroshane
There was a book in the late 70s or early 80s called KEEPERS OF THE GAME by an anthropologist (Calvin ???) whose last name I cannot remember. He makes a very interesting and HIGHLY controversial argument about how the tribes in the northeast and northwest (that is, what we now refer to as the Mid

Re: M-I: Blaut on Indian death

1998-01-05 Thread Louis Proyect
At 07:26 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Doug: > >This claim is NOT controversial in the literature. The best known popular >account is Alfred Crosby's THE COLUMBIAN EXCHANGE. Also see McNeill's >PLAGUES AND PEOPLE. The classic sources are monographs and papers by >Woodrow Borah et al. This fact -- o

Synchronicity from/with India

1998-01-05 Thread valis
===> Surely the stars are smiling, or at least lurking along with me. valis Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 11:53:30 -0500 (GMT) From: "Dr. Gail Omvedt Faculty-Sociology" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friends, We a

Re: M-I: Blaut on Indian death

1998-01-05 Thread James Michael Craven
> At 07:26 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Doug: > > > >This claim is NOT controversial in the literature. The best known popular > >account is Alfred Crosby's THE COLUMBIAN EXCHANGE. Also see McNeill's > >PLAGUES AND PEOPLE. The classic sources are monographs and papers by > >Woodrow Borah et a

Re: utopias

1998-01-05 Thread Dave Markland
>> As a precautionary note, I should say that when I envision a worthwhile >> society, I generally think in terms of free people forming voluntary >> associations (though that is perhaps a muddy phrase). Thus, I tend to think >> of: in what manner(s) will people feel like organizing in? >Neithe