I am responding to Jerry's ideas about the list. Judging from off line
responses, Dave's posts are seen as very valuable. Yes, the list is
international, but these posts do no bespeak provincialism, but the need to
obtain similar information from Brazil, Mexico, France, Australia ... and all
(posted originally on the Marxism list at Panix)
The Australian wharfies battle may be over for now, but it is safe to
predict that the transportation industry will continue to be a battle zone
between First world labor and capital.
Since transportation systems cannot be exported to third world
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PEN-L'ers should be aware that the reason Levy and Sinha bear
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I have posted a copy of Nathan's Microsoft Monitor, because his was
rejected. Marx said that concentration of capital would make the
transition to socialism easier. The state would have an easier time
taking over the few supermarket chains than the motley collection of
bakeries, vegetable
At 09:41 AM 5/19/98 -0400, Louis P. wrote:
... I feel that theory should relate to practice, which is what Marx
thought.
I think that pen-l does a good job here.
Some contributions (maybe even my own, though I doubt it strongly ;-)), are
too theoretical or too macroeconomic or not
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John G. refered to the "defections" of Louis and Doug. I would differ.
Thank you Michael. I haven't defected anywhere. I may be defective, but
that's another story.
Doug
Louis Proyect wrote:
Therefore, in a certain sense, the question of what direction PEN-L takes
in the coming period is very much up to Michael Perelman himself. In the
course of my participation on PEN-L over the past year or so, I have become
acquainted with much of his highly original
Jim Davis wrote:
I don;t know if Panix provides those services for its lists -- the list
confirmation/instructions I received when I subbed to lbo-talk didn't
mention anything, as far as I cd tell; and the subsequent flood of messages
was too much, so I unsubscribed, hoping that anything of
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Count me in as another fan of Michael P.'s work. He
has written a number of very good books over the years.
Barkley Rosser
On Tue, 19 May 1998 12:19:37 -0400 Doug Henwood
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Louis Proyect wrote:
Therefore, in a certain sense, the question of what direction
Ellen Dannin wrote:
I wondered if Bill Rosenberg or Brian Easton might like to comment on the
fallout from the weeks-long blackout of Auckland -- something that appears
to have been the result of privatising the electrical system. Deregualtion
is big here in California and elsewhere, so those
I beg to differ. Doug's list, although it is the one
that appears to be taking more action from pen-l, is indeed
a new combination with a lively bunch of people from
diverse areas.
But Louis's new list does not "fill a void." That the
Spoons Collective dumped the marxism lists
Louis's new list, however
virtuous and fascinating it might be, is a further movement
in the fragmentation that began with the original splitting
of the original marxism list several years ago.
Unfortunately, as I think he himself would have to admit,
Louis P. was one of the most important
I am not sure what really transpired in the past few weeks. I have been
travelling in India visiting software firms and hence was off pen-l
temporarily. I have been in Bangalore since January and all of last year I
was in Singapore. Pen-l has travelled with me all along. That reflects
the
The problem is twofold.
Tying the products is cheaper IF you want to buy all or most of the
products.
The larger problem is that Microsoft wants to control the pipeline. It
wants to be able to collect something from all the transactions [including
the consumption of intellectual property].
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Dear Ellen,
Here is my just published "Listener" column on the question you ask. To be
even more direct, in my view the rise
I for one missed Mark's posting on this to this list.
Perhaps this had something to do with the list problems
and a repost might be in order.
However, this discussion raged at some length and with
some intelligence not too long ago on
marxism-international, a list that Louis P. now
Mark Jones's post is extraordinary. The history list has been throbbing with
this debate. Mark does an excellent job of putting it into perspective.
Where he goes wrong is in expecting me to have anything to add. I can only
throw out a few comments.
I believe that historical, geographical
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There is a big and quite miraculously interesting debate going on on
H-World about the Frank v. Landes thing. While I agree with James Devine
and others complaints about cross-posting (Lou Proyect is the worst
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Did I say that theory should be subsumed to activism? I
At 07:34 AM 5/19/98 -0700, Ellen J. Dannin wrote:
Any comments on the microsoft antitrust suit from the list?
There is an article on antitrust legislation and its enforcement in ther
last issue of the Dollars and Sense. One view they menation is that all
this antitrust schmooze is a diversion
Two advantages that the PEN-L list has is that it (a) provides a way of
receiving posts in digest form, and (b) it has a great archiving and search
function via the pen-l web site. So one can search for discussion via
specific key words going back months.
I don;t know if Panix provides those
Ricardo Duchesne:
No, it is more about the quality of the discussion: leftwing
reporting vs theoretical reflection. Without questioning the
merit of some of your contributions, theory should not be subsumed to
activism. Marx spent lots more hours in the study desk than in
the streets.
Did I
Ajit,
I think it will be a good idea to let pen-l people know what you have to say
about E Wood and Foster's book. I myself like Ellen Wood's works.
If people want, I can also put my 6-page single space review of John
Hoffman's Beyond the State (of course, I've to ask David Laibman of Science
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Audrie Krause wrote:
The Micro$oft Monitor
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I wondered if Bill Rosenberg or Brian Easton might like to comment on the
fallout from the weeks-long blackout of Auckland -- something that appears
to have been the result of privatising the electrical system. Deregualtion
is big here in California and elsewhere, so those experiences are
Any comments on the microsoft antitrust suit from the list? Is it true that
MS Word can't / won't convert any Word Perfect formats since 5.1? If so, is
microsoft engaging in similar tactics elsewhere to freeze out other
companies by making their products less compatible?
Ellen
Ellen J. Dannin
PEN-L'ers should be aware that the reason Levy and Sinha bear so much
animosity toward me is that there are political differences. These
differences are not the typical ones of Stalin versus Trotsky, etc. Rather
they have to do with the role of leftist intellectuals. They think that it
is
It would be a sad day, the day pen-l dies. It has been the most lively
cyber space for years now, and I don't see any reason for it to stop doing
so. However, over the years somepeople like myself have been contributing
much less than what we used to. There could be several reasons for that. In
I think that PEN-L would gain by be more focussed on economic issues - in a
broad sense of course. Over the years the list has become more a forum for
left-wing discussion, which is of course not a bad thing in it self, on the
contrary, but there is a need for a forum concentrating on:
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