[PEN-L:1304] Re: Re: Re: pen-lquestions

1998-12-07 Thread Ajit Sinha
At 08:38 4/12/98 -0800, Michael P. wrote: >I question whether the efficiency wage is a fad. The idea has origins that >predate Lester. During the 1920s, a period which Jim knows very well, the >"economy of high wages" was considered to be mainstream. We can also date >such thought back to Adam

[PEN-L:1307] Re: McDonalds question

1998-12-07 Thread valis
Quoth our deep mole in Bolivia: > The first McDonalds in Cochabamba, Bolivia is to open on Friday. We are > preparing a protest of sorts. I am writing for help in putting together .. > costs/values. Does anyone have the citation? We would like

[PEN-L:1309] Re: Re: McDonalds question

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Kruse
Dear subcom: >Busy, busy! Dunno about this one, Tom; if it's a standard McD's you're >moving to deprive Cochabamba's street people of probably the one place >in town where they can eat _and spend a few warm hours_ Warmth is NOT the problem here. And "street people", as you are imagining them,

[PEN-L:1312] Re: Jacob, Esau and Alfred Marshall

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Walker
Star pupil valis asked: >Hmm, were Jacob and Esau somehow the first Marginal Utilitarians, >or am I getting my theorists mixed up? To do a proper job on this genealogy, we have to all the way back to Adam. Smith, that is. Adam begot David and James. David begot Karl. James begot Nassau, John a

[PEN-L:1313] Re: Re: Re: Re: pen-lquestions<36680C39.AC238F24@lmumail.lmu.edu> <3.0.1.32.19981207180704.00a94318@cc.newcastle.edu.au>

1998-12-07 Thread Mathew Forstater
Thomas Michl, "Adam Smith and the New Economics of Effort," in R. Blackwell, J. Chatha, and E. Nell (eds.): _Economics as Worldly Philosophy_, Macmillan and St. Martin's, 1993. Ajit Sinha wrote: > At 08:38 4/12/98 -0800, Michael P. wrote: > >I question whether the efficiency wage is a fad. The

[PEN-L:1315] BLS Daily Report

1998-12-07 Thread Richardson_D
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_000_01BE21F8.B9220360 BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1998 RELEASED TODAY: Employment increased in November, and the unemployment rate

[PEN-L:1316] Re: Social Security change under Reagan

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Walker
Ellen Frank wrote, >But there is no pile >of money, there never was and there never will be. That illusory "pile of money" is the papier-mâché rock upon which all right-wing economic wisdom is founded. If capital played by such a farcical pile-of-money rule, we'd all still be scraping the grou

[PEN-L:1319] Re: Re: Lump of Labor?

1998-12-07 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Actually it was Hayek who emphasized information issues, not von Mises, although the latter certainly claimed that socialist central planners would end up using "wrong" prices. Von Mises placed more emphasis on the ownership question, capitalism versus socialism. He argued that a priva

[PEN-L:1320] Re: Jacob, Esau & Alfred M. II

1998-12-07 Thread valis
.. > Alfred slept around and wound up with 12 sons by various and assorted wifes > and concubines. Alfred's favorite son, Milton, became an advisor to Pharoah > and taught him how he could turn all the fat cows over to his friends at the > banks

[PEN-L:1323] Ellen Frank on Social Security <3.0.5.32.19981207094418.00806d30@emmanuel.edu>

1998-12-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Ellen's piece should be a model for economists -- taking a complex subject and putting it into a form that people can understand. The right is good at this, except that they put it in a form to make people think that they understand, while actually causing confusion. -- Michael Perelman Economic

[PEN-L:1325] Re: Re: Suctional unemployment

1998-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
In a recent message, I wrote: >>I see nothing wrong with abstraction in trying to understand the world. You construct abstractions all the time, Tom. Or are you referring to money as an abstraction? I guess it is, but that doesn't say that money is NOT a crucial part of the way capitalism works. <

[PEN-L:1328] re McDonalds

1998-12-07 Thread Eugene P. Coyle
Tom, this isn't going to be much help besides alerting you to a wealth of information that I'm not going to be able to give you an address for. In the UK there was a long running law suit where McDonald's sued activists for liable. The activists were leafletting with information about Mc

[PEN-L:1329] Re: re McDonalds

1998-12-07 Thread valis
Gene Coyle quizzes: > Extra credit quiz: What is the only state capit[a]l in the USA > without a McDonalds? An exception of this sort would have to be determined by local ideology rather than any marketing factor(s). On this basis: Salt Lake City.

[PEN-L:1331] Response Re: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation

1998-12-07 Thread James Michael Craven
Response: Ken, you have it exactly right. Further, under exting Federal Law (Titles 9, 18 and 25 USC) Indians are not treated as individuals but as members of Groups--Tribes and Nations--and furthermore, individual Indians are typically treated not as individuals but members of a broader coll

[PEN-L:1332] ONTARIO IN ACTION!

1998-12-07 Thread James Michael Craven
Gerald Keddy House of Commons Parliament Buildings Ottawa, On K1A 0A6 Dear Sir, I am writing to you regarding the United Nations Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples which is currently under review by the UN Intersessional Working Group in Geneva. As you may already know,

[PEN-L:1335] Enlightenment insight

1998-12-07 Thread Louis Proyect
>From 12/7/98 article in the NY Times: Mr. Sokal has been attacked as a "left conservative" because he is trying to stake out a territory free from the political claims of culture. That would be the territory of reasoned argument, objective fact and Enlightenment insight, where even debates like

[PEN-L:1351] (Fwd) HONOR OUR ANCESTORS RALLY

1998-12-07 Thread James Michael Craven
December 3, 1998 E-MAIL MESSAGE FROM COLVILLE COMMUNICATION SERVICES, NESPELEM, WA. TO: VARIOUS PARTIES FR: Sheila Whitelaw, Press Secretary, Colville Business Council Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, Nespelem, WA RE: HONOR OUR ANCESTORS PRESS ADVISORY Please find attache

[PEN-L:1340] Re: Suctional unemployment

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, >please describe one example of a case of so-called suctional unemployment >that does not fit this "special case." 1. See below. The guy in the story was fired for refusing to work overtime. He's NOT the example, he's the exception to the rule. The example is all the folks who

[PEN-L:1338] Re: Re: Suctional unemployment

1998-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:55 PM 12/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jim Devine wrote, > >>In that case, if the job-squatters (those who >>justifiably cling to jobs rather than enjoying a stint in the >>officially-measured reserve army of the unemployed) > >The qualification involves way too much compression and projection of

[PEN-L:1337] Re: Enlightenment insight

1998-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:54 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: >>From 12/7/98 article in the NY Times: > >Mr. Sokal has been attacked as a "left conservative" because he is trying >to stake out a territory free from the political claims of culture. That >would be the territory of reasoned argument, objective fact and >Enl

[PEN-L:1334] Re: Suctional unemployment

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote, >In that case, if the job-squatters (those who >justifiably cling to jobs rather than enjoying a stint in the >officially-measured reserve army of the unemployed) The qualification involves way too much compression and projection of my argument. What the above example deals wit

[PEN-L:1333] Re: McDonalds question

1998-12-07 Thread bill Burgess
Tom Kruse asked about MacDonalds. In the town of Squamish, here in British Columbia, the Canadian Auto Workers union (formerly the Canadian wing of the UAW) have certified the only MacDonalds in North America (at least I think it is the only one; another franchise in Quebec was unionized a few mo

[PEN-L:1330] RE: Social Security change under Reagan

1998-12-07 Thread Max Sawicky
> Max writes: >The earmarking gives rise to the Trust Fund balance, > including its dates of cash deficits, overall deficit, and exhaustion of the fund balance, all of which are key to the current debate. As I said, > accounting may be dull, but it is political. It is the Right which is demeanin

[PEN-L:1327] Re: What Thomas More thought of the American Indian

1998-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:03 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > It has been argued that Thomas More's _Utopia_, viewed >by many as an early utopian socialist work, was inspired by >the more favorable reports emanating from North America >regarding the kinds of behavior among Native American >Indians that Louis P.

[PEN-L:1326] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Social Security changeunder Reagan

1998-12-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:11 AM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote: Max writes: >The earmarking gives rise to the Trust Fund balance, including its dates of cash deficits, overall deficit, and exhaustion of the fund balance, all of which are key to the current debate. As I said, accounting may be dull, but it is political. I

[PEN-L:1324] Re: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation

1998-12-07 Thread Ken Hanly
James Michael Craven wrote: Surely the position of the US reps. involves a logical contradiction. I assume treaties were signed with tribes not individual natives. These treaties give certain rights to GROUPS of individuals. Because of these group rights INDIVIDUALS within tribes who have sig

[PEN-L:1322] Sovereign Nations Within a Nation

1998-12-07 Thread James Michael Craven
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "James Michael Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Clark College, Vancouver WA, USA To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:04:36 PST8PDT Subject: Sovereign Nations Within a Nation

[PEN-L:1321] Re: What Shakespeare thought of the American Indian

1998-12-07 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
It has been argued that Thomas More's _Utopia_, viewed by many as an early utopian socialist work, was inspired by the more favorable reports emanating from North America regarding the kinds of behavior among Native American Indians that Louis P. admires. I would also note that Powha

[PEN-L:1317] Re: McDonalds question

1998-12-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Tom Kruse asked about McDonald's. I had a short section on the subject in my book, Class Warfare in the Information Age: Adam Smith's Hamburger Economists base their faith in the rationality of pseudo-information on the simplistic logic of Adam Smith's invisible hand. You may recall Smith's

[PEN-L:1314] Re: Social Security, etc V

1998-12-07 Thread valis
Quoth Ellen Frank, in part: > Each year, American workers pay more into the Social Security (SS) system > than retirees take out. The difference, now about $90b per year, is > "saved" in the Social Security Trust Fund. Today the trust fund has around > $800b. By 2021, it will have nearly four

[PEN-L:1311] Re: Re: Social Security change under Reagan

1998-12-07 Thread Ellen T. Frank
In response to Bill Lear's question, I've attached a short piece I wrote on SS for a local union publication. Ellen Frank Each year, American workers pay more into the Social Security (SS) system than retirees take out. The difference, now about $90b per year, is “sav

[PEN-L:1310] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Social Security change under Reagan

1998-12-07 Thread Max Sawicky
Max replied: > >Unlike welfare, and like insurance, beneficiaries make > >earmarked payments into the program. ... > > since funds are shifted about between various government budgets, the > "earmarked" part is pretty unimportant. . . . The earmarking gives rise to the Trust Fund balance, inclu

[PEN-L:1308] Re: Jacob, Esau and Alfred Marshall

1998-12-07 Thread valis
Prof Walker assigns: > Essay question: Compare and contrast Thomas Mann's Joseph and his Brothers > and Alfred Marshall's Principles of Economics. Extra credit: use the words > 'elide' and 'palimpsest' in your essay. There was more to those definitions than I could stick on my gyp sheet, so I th

[PEN-L:1306] McDonalds question

1998-12-07 Thread Tom Kruse
Dear Listmembers: The frist McDonalds in Cochabamba, Bolivia is to open on Friday. We are preparing a protest of sorts. I am writing for help in putting together info. I have the piece by Liza Featherstonein LBO 86, a couple of list posts, but nothing else. I would greatly appreciate ANY crit

[PEN-L:1305] Russia: Weir on Primakov at World Economic Forum

1998-12-07 Thread Gregory Schwartz
From: Fred Weir in Moscow Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 For the Hindustan Times MOSCOW (HT) -- The Russian government will not abandon market economics but intends to make sweeping policy changes to escape the disaster left by years of misguided reforms, Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov said at the