friend of mine who runs Mangrove Replenishment Initiative
- http://mangrove.org/ - sent me below note, Michael Hoover
> An article in the 4/8 issue of Nature says the Amazon rain forest is
> being destroyed much faster than previously thought. Researchers found
> the rate of destruction is 17,0
Dear listers:
Just a quick to note, to echo the sentiment that the lists have been
essential for informing, analyzing, etc. The problem of what to do is
pending, though Yoshie's posts, for the US, certainly seem to suggest
answers though/in praxis. (And from me a powerful YES to resisting
imper
Today, I finally heard the name of the US/NATO war against Serbia. It's
"Operation Allied Force."
I don't know about you, but I think that's boring. Ou sont les nombres
fantastiques d'antan?[*] (where are the fantastic names of yesteryear?) I
like names like "Operation Just Cause," where a bunch
The biggest problem for humanity today is imperialism, U.S. imperialism, its military,
economic and political control of most of the world. This is the greatest political
cause of death in our world now. The United States is the greatest danger to the
whole world today, as the Germany was un
An interesting couple of paragraphs in a NY times article April 8th. I
was alerted to this by a passing reference in the Noam Chomsky speech
on Democracy Now today and found it in a search for " Rambouillet" on
the NY times search.
http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+si
I wish to make an addendum/correction to my
previous post on this topic. A column in by David
Ignatius in this morning's Washington Post makes
the point that it was not so much the Republicans
in Congress that Clinton was afraid of as it was
protectionist Democrats. And apparently the deman
Dennis:
>> Wrong reasons: removing any existing or potential obstacles for capitalism
>> all over the world.
>
>But capitalism civilizes, right?
It doesn't seem to do so, in the post-socialist Eastern Europe. (In fact,
just the opposite.) The Balkan civil wars illustrate why capitalism is not
at
Thomas Kruse wrote:
>There has even been a bit of good subversive humor generated, in the sprit
>of "death-squad Democrats", as CISPES used to refer to contra-funders in
>the 1980s. For example,
>
>"... cruise missile humanitarianism ..." -- Henwood
I actually appropriated that from an article
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> < because we are losing.>>
>
> Anthony Lewis, on the Balkan issues, have been consistently more hawkish
> than usual suspects, I think. Has he changed his tune?
>
Maybe, I only read the NYT sporadically now. I was referring more to the
generic Anthony Lew
Michael "not-Mike" Hoover wrote:
>James Madison wrote: 'War is the true nurse of executive aggrandizement'...
And to think that some liberals/leftists hallucinate that they have the
power to influence the direction of foreign policy (executive power) in a
'humanitarian' manner, when they can't ev
The peoples have no say.
All economic and political power is concentrated in the trans-
national corporations, their mass media monopoly and their
politicians.
And from their point of view people are only of interest
1. - as slave labour, only to be kept barely alive at minimum
existence level,
I think they are trying to echo the term "The Allies" from WWII to reinforce the
complete nonsense that the Serbs are the Nazis and the leader is a threat to become
new Hitler. Soon they will probably call Serbia an "Axis Power".
Probably some Pentagon "scholars" came across this terminology af
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Michael Perelman wrote:
> Or is bombing just an extension of video games? I understand the video
> games are at the core of Marine recruiting today.
This is unlikely. Videogames may be superficially violent, but they're not
at all like modern combat. From personal experienc
Charles wrote:
<>
Unfortunately, the movie-going public has lately been steeped in nostalgia
for the "Good Fight": Saving Private Ryan, Life Is Beautiful, Thin Red
Line, etc. They have learned through the mass media to think "genocide" and
"ethnic cleansing" when they hear the word Serbia. Cultur
I defy anybody on this list to tell me quote a single instance in which Clinton
behaved courageously when there was a political cost.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
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The Washington Post reported this morning
on extreme ambivalence among the Visegrad
powers now in NATO about the Yugoslav war.
The Poles are pretty supportive at 60% pro, but
they are traditionally more anti-Russian and also
not very close to the fighting.
The Czechs are only at 35% sup
Michael Perelman wrote:
>I defy anybody on this list to tell me quote a single instance in which
>Clinton
>behaved courageously when there was a political cost.
Christopher Hitchens' new book, No One Left to Lie To: The Triangulations
of William Jefferson Clinton, is a hilarious, damning, compac
Robin Cook was simply relaying "information" from the leader of the KLA
(Thaci?). The BBC
report makes this clear. However, Cook himself did not say that this was an
unverified
report. He presents it as fact. Of course the same thing happened with
execution of moderate Albanian leaders who turned
The lead story on the ABC evening news was about the Nato air attack on a
Serb passenger train in which 9 people died and many more were wounded.
When asked if it would apologize for the civilian deaths, Nato officials
stated that the train was traversing a bridge marked for destruction and
that n
> . . .
> If the theory is that Clinton cannot do anything that has a humanitarian
> end, then . . . vetoing the Contract on America . . .
Don't go there.
mbs
> from Scott Shuger's column in SLATE: >The [major US] papers [surveyed]
> detail the comments made by various U.S. and NATO officials attempting to
> shore up the claim that the Serbs are committing atrocities in Kosovo.
Yes and pictures of all those folks in the field were from Woodstock 99.
Th
Anachronism or evaluation criteria?
ON CLINTON'S NATIONAL ECONOMIC STRATEGY
---
Statement of Kenneth Arrow, Stanford University--1972 Nobel Prize Winner
Governor Clinton's statement of economic principles gives force to the
po
Nathan Newman wrote: -
>
>
> There are arguments that the NATO bombing allowed Milosevic to create a
> massive refugee crisis. However, depending on what level of murder has
> occurred against Kosovans, we may end up with evidence that the bombing
> prevented Milosevic from launching a systema
Nathan Newman:
>Louis reaching back to blame NATO for the Rwandan mass murder due the
>Kaiser's colonialist adventures there is just all of the piece in the
>apologia for Milosevic, which involves as much moral equivalence IN THIS
>ACTION as possible.
I see that Nathan is taking circumlocution le
> Nathan:
>
> >> If the theory is that Clinton cannot do anything that has a
humanitarian end, then . . . vetoing the Contract on America . . .
>
> Max:
>
> >Don't go there.
>
> A while back, the House Republicans put out a press release claiming that
most of the Contract's promises had actually
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What sort of nonsense is this? Before the NATO bombing
'hundreds of thousands of Kosovars' driven out of Kosovo? Have
you, unlike Clinton, been inhaling?
Paul Phillips
>
> He already had in Bosnia. And with all those observers, hundreds of
> thousands of Kosovars had already been driven ou
Pacifism or revolutionary defeatism, while plausible doctrines in their own
right, ill-serve the folks taking the very worst from aggressors. In this
case those are the Kosovars. These doctrines ill-served the diverse victims
of the Holocaust, though in the 1940's the practitioners of pacifism a
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>IF we find no evidence of systematic genocide surely the
>explanation would be that he had no intention of doing that but of
defeating >the KLA as well as providing NATO with a great refugee
Nathan:
>> If the theory is that Clinton cannot do anything that has a humanitarian
>> end, then . . . vetoing the Contract on America . . .
Max:
>Don't go there.
A while back, the House Republicans put out a press release claiming that
most of the Contract's promises had actually been met in
Louis Proyect wrote:
> Unless a mighty protest is launched against
> this savage attack on innocent people, there is little doubt that the Nato
> forces will apply a scorched earth policy in Yugoslavia like Franco did in
> Spain or Nixon in Indochina.
Such a development has been implicit in t
> Milosevic vs. the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo/a might indeed be likened to
> Vietnam's war in that there was a civil war going on. You could liken
> Milosevic to Diem or Ho, whichever you like, with the KLA as either Ho or
> Diem. Except that there difference isn't a matter of political ideology
Nathan Newman:
>No one in the human rights community said Kosovo had suffered the same
>slaughter as the Tutsis. What they argued was that the West could have
>prevented much of that earlier slaughter with early intervention and that
>Kosovo had the same signs indicating a likely slaughter as we
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>Similarly, grassroots pressure has an effect on Clinton's foreign policy.
>The most vocal members of the human rights community said "we _must_ do
>something" about the Serbian slaughters i
Neil,
Can you distribute the following item about a new effort to reinvigorate
and restructure public broadcasting on IGC lists? Thanks for any
help. This item has already gone out on the IAJ futuremedia list.
--Jeff Cohen, FAIR
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I'm not talking about the violent nature of video games, but rather that the
Marines are using clones of popular video games for recruiting.
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Michael Perelman wrote:
>
> > Or is bombing just an extension of video games? I understand the video
> > ga
yes, what you said below is true. Also, KLA demanded that there be no Russian troops,
which the West to be reasonable.
Gar Lipow wrote:
> So NATO could have got everything it claimed to want at Rambouillet,
> by agreeing to armed U.N. monitors instead of armed NATO monitors in
> Kosovo? Or am
from Scott Shuger's column in SLATE: >The [major US] papers [surveyed]
detail the comments made by various U.S. and NATO officials attempting to
shore up the claim that the Serbs are committing atrocities in Kosovo. The
WP quotes the British foreign secretary Robin Cook as saying that about
400,00
I heard a discussion by Richard Haydn (sp?) of the University of Pittsburgh,
who is an expert on the Balkans. Maybe Mike Yates knows him. He knows
personally many of the lower-level analysts working with the government.
He said that before Ramboullet the analysts had worked out peace plan with
I wrote: >Similarly, grassroots pressure has an effect on Clinton's
foreign policy. The most vocal members of the human rights community said
"we _must_ do something" about the Serbian slaughters in Kosova/o. They
fell into the whole nonsense of Milosevic being the new Hitler, while
likening the
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Gee had several critical articles. I believe that he did address
some of the legal questions in one.
There are just better sources for these arguments and so I didnt
save the article.
To Sam: Of course what he
Nathan writes: >It is quite reasonable to argue that Clinton's motives in
Kosovo are to show to Muslims around the world, unhappy with the bombing of
Iraq, that he will bomb white Christians in defense of muslims. Or that he
is buying off the international human rights community, so they will be
>From the "Report of the Bryce Committee on Alleged German Outrages," 1914
Report of the Committee on Alleged German Outrages Appointed by His
Britannic Majesty's Government and Presided Over by the Right Hon. Viscount
Bryce, O.M. THE RIGHT HON. SIR FREDERICK POLLOCK, Bt., K.C.; SIR ALFRED
HOPKI
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
> It doesn't seem to do so, in the post-socialist Eastern Europe. (In fact,
> just the opposite.) The Balkan civil wars illustrate why capitalism is not
> at all 'progressive' there.
Then what about the Visegrad countries, with their still-extensive w
Sam wrote:
>Maybe, I only read the NYT sporadically now. I was referring more to the
>generic Anthony Lewis position vis a vis the Vietnam War where we should get
>out of the war because it cannot be won. The war is an issue of pragmatics,
>not principle. This position has been taken with regards
Jim Devine wrote:
>Today, I finally heard the name of the US/NATO war against Serbia. It's
>"Operation Allied Force."
>
>I don't know about you, but I think that's boring. Ou sont les nombres
>fantastiques d'antan?[*] (where are the fantastic names of yesteryear?) I
>like names like "Operation Jus
Lou, I'm pretty sure that Bogdan roughly translates into American as
"nose hair"; possibly one of the central Asian language group experts
will clarify this translation. Somewhere there is a picture of the
original Bogdan with long black hairs growing out of each nostril. It
was cool at one tim
On yesterday's (April 11) op-ed page of the LA TIMES, there was an
interesting piece by Alan J. Kuperman (a doctoral candidate at MIT and a
research fellow at Brookings) that I can't find on the web. He points to
the peaceful nature of the ethnic Albanian opposition to Serbian oppression
until the
-Original Message-
From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>During World War II, bomber pilots and their crews had extraordinarily
>dangerous jobs. Although a bomber could kill many people, the pilot
>faced greater risks than his targets the
While I have the deepest regard for the opinions expressed on this list
regarding the War -- and sympathy even for the sentiments underlying those
opinions with which I disagree -- I find the tenor of the discussion
decidedly unprofessional and unscientific.
Shoemakers, stick to your lasts!
Li
Sam wrote:
<>
Anthony Lewis, on the Balkan issues, have been consistently more hawkish
than usual suspects, I think. Has he changed his tune?
Yoshie
BOGDAN DENITCH is a central leader of the Democratic Socialists of America
(DSA), the main sponsoring organization of the yearly Socialists Scholars
Conference, and a supporter of the NATO aggression. While he takes great
pains to represent himself as a defender of democracy against all the nasty
Friends,
I'm looking for web site addresses from Serbia for people
in the Sacramento area who want to fill in the blanks.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
Seth Sandronsky
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>Or is bombing just an extension of video games? I understand the video
>games are at the core of Marine recruiting today.
>--
>
>Michael Perelman
"The first yuppie war" (Full story at http://www.salon1999.com)
Politics, not bad weather, keeps NATO airstrikes from decisive damage in
Yugoslavia.
During World War II, bomber pilots and their crews had extraordinarily
dangerous jobs. Although a bomber could kill many people, the pilot
faced greater risks than his targets the ground. This imagery of
heroism continued in the cinema.
Today, pilots face relatively few risks and can inflict fa
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> Nathan wrote:
> >Clinton could be pursuing humanitarian ends for the wrong reasons.
>
> Wrong ends: the continuation and expansion of NATO/US spheres of influence
> (economic, political, and military).
> Wrong means: bombings; economic sanctions against the countries whose
> citizens have not c
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NY Times, April 12, 1999
SERBIAN STRATEGY
Yugoslavs Reported to Be Digging In
By JOHN KIFNER
KUKES, Albania -- Serb forces are heavily fortifying their positions in
Kosovo, particularly around the Pristina Airport, moving anti-aircraft
batteries, tanks and other heavy weapons into villages and
The Boston Globe Online / Nation | World
Tokyo elects nationalists; questioned ties with US
by Shigeyoshi Kimura, Associated Press, 04/12/99
TOKYO - An author known for hawkish nationalist
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