Yah and PTL, Mike E.!
My olde school Rattlesnake U., home of the Golden Rattlers, could use a
little financial help for all of its years of bringing good news to the
heathens; not to mention millions of hours of good works trying to civilize
the inhabitants of the greater Mudsuck area. Hey,
That message to O'Connor was accidentally sent to Pen-l. Sorry for the
confusion.
At 07:18 PM 5/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
I want to remind all the participants on the list that personal attacks
and flaming serve no purpose here, especially when the subject did not
originally arise on the list.
At 10:55 PM 5/24/99 -0500, Carrol Cox wrote:
Lou,
I'm just recovering from a migraine and can't read this too carefully,
but it seems to me that you are suggesting that the readers of a book review
should already have read the book.
Actually, after 12 hours I have achieved a certain epiphany
(Not sure why the last message was screwed up. But here's a re-send. By the
way, Michael Perelman should tell us that the discussion is a waste of time
and urge us to wind it up. That would be music to my ears. Right now I feel
like discussing Yugoslavia, not this crap.)
Michael Keany:
Maybe so.
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And from their
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we already live under a "partnership" of government and
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Louis Proyect wrote:
For newcomers to PEN-L, it should be understood that Doug Henwood agrees
with David Harvey. I am not sure on what basis, since Doug by his own
admission has been moving away from Marxism while Harvey represents himself
as trying to put it on new foundations. I myself think
Michael Perelman:
Academic publishing, like posting to the Internet, only goes beyond personal
gratification if it serves some larger purpose. In that sense, I think
that we
might do well to pursue the matter.
Okay, Michael. Here's the problem. As much as I admire the books you've
produced over
Enough already! Look, we already had the debate between Lou and Doug. I admire
both of you and hate to see this flame reignite.
I have profited from David Harvey's work, although I found last book
disappointing. I just completed a book by Jim O'Connor that I found quite
valuable.
We have no
http://www.theatlantic.com/unbound/polipro/pp9905.htm
The Atlantic Monthly
May 12, 1999
Slaves' Wages
A work of history puts a price on slave labor -- and could be used to
determine modern-day reparations
by Jack Beatty
That Swiss banks are paying compensation to the families of Holocaust
Hey, this partnership of church and state could be called neo-feudalism. Neat idea.
Ever seen those Marine commercials where a few good men are traced back in origin to
knights in armor ?
Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/99 11:20AM
[Gore's] proposal for ``a new
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:58:30 -0400
To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEN-L:7204] jim o'connor on harvey review
Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Perelman:
Academic publishing, like posting to the Internet,
Ricardo:
- The habitus (Bourdieu's term) of the academic is not, never will
be that of the worker. To academics the most important goal is to
excel within their own habitus; publication being the main strategy
for success. While academic journals and books are
hardly published with a view to
Chapter One: On the Road with Fred and George
During the whole modern period of European history, the general direction of
social development was one of freeing the individual from the ties which had
bound him to the customary or prescribed ways in the pursuit of his ordinary
activities. On the
Lou,
Monthly Review has an impact on politics
that SS or CNS does not? Where?
Of course the standard response to you
(which you have heard a million times) is what
about Marx's own writings? Now there were a
few put out as pamphlets or for more general
consumption. But most certainly
Lou is raising that old riddle of the dialectic of theory and practice, not an easy
puzzle to solve.
The more technical and academic writing and analysis should not be stopped, but we
need more translation into the language , ideas and discourses of everyday people.
That is , popularization.
Dear Louis,
Thank you for your piece. I agree with all of it, particularly the emphasis
on materialism (including the materialist conception of nature). I am almost
done with a book on this subject, which I think will constitute a revolution
in the interpretation of Marx's thought, entitled
Now that I've had the better part of a day to restore a modicum of sanity,
I want to say a couple of words that I hope will lead in a positive direction.
1) I will post my article tonight sans footnotes, which I don't really
believe in. Let PEN-:L judge whether John Bellamy Foster or Jim
Jim Devine's analysis would be correct if the surplus in the South would have
been confined to that region. Much of the wealth generated by the slave
economy migrated to the north.
Jim Devine wrote:
My reading is that the slaves did a hell of a lot of work (and in hell) but
that a lot of
This is right, except that I'd say that the lion's share of the surplus
went to a very specific part of the north, i.e., to England.
At 03:05 PM 5/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
Jim Devine's analysis would be correct if the surplus in the South would have
been confined to that region. Much of the
Harvey, Leibniz and Marx
David Harvey's "Justice, Nature and the Geography of Difference" surely has
the distinction of being the only Marxist study of ecology to draw
inspiration from Gottfried Leibniz (1646-1716). While openly admitting that
Leibniz is a "deeply conservative theoretician in
(an old thread)
I wrote:
Schumpeter was neither an econometrician nor a mathematical economist. He
_was_ a conservative but open-minded economist who learned a lot from
Marx.
His belief that socialism -- by which he meant government planning of the
economy -- is inevitable seems quaint these
". . .in a planned society the question can no longer be on what do a
majority of the people agree but what the largest single group is whose
members agree sufficiently to make unified direction of all affairs
possible; or, if no such group large enough to enforce its views exists, how
it can be
Doug sent us the following excerpts from David Harvey's work:
[from David Harvey, Justice, Nature, and the Geography of Difference, pp.
188-191]
...that they were and continue to be somehow "closer to nature" than we are
(even Guha, it seem to me, falls into this trap).
snip
Luther Standing Bear
My reading is that the slaves did a hell of a lot of work (and in hell) but
that a lot of went wasted, because the Civil War destroyed the South. With
Northern occupation preventing the normal process of rebuilding that takes
place after wars (fixing the railways), with Southern white insistence
I am applying for some grant money from the State of Utah to
teach two "High Technology" courses on the internet. One is
my undergraduate course reading Marx's Capital which I have
been teaching now for several years, to be taught in the
Fall 2000. The other, in the Spring 2001, is a graduate
Lou,
Monthly Review has an impact on politics
that SS or CNS does not? Where?
MR was widely read by radicals in the 1960s. It was sort of the theoretical
journal that was the counterpart to the activist newspaper The Guardian.
Of course the standard response to you
(which you have
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, MAY 21, 1999
RELEASED TODAY: Regional and state unemployment rates were relatively
stable in April. All four regions reported little change over the month,
and 42 states recorded shifts of 0.3 percentage point or less. The national
jobless rate was essentially
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, MAY 24, 1999
The Midwest in April had the lowest unemployment rate of any region in the
country at 3.4 percent, while the West had the highest at 5.1 percent. In
the South, the April jobless rate was 4.1 percent, and in the Northeast it
was 4.2 percent, BLS
Exactly. My question was how we could move beyond that. Right now I posting to
a list with 450 subscribers. Let's assume (falling into an economist's mode of
thought) that another hundred have access to it from various Internet sites. I
suspect maybe the majority of people will delete this
Actually, I think that Lou's initial accidental posting, while it was off base,
does serve a useful purpose -- once we remove the vituperative personal
material.
The discussion relates to Yugoslavia in the sense that we're all groping for a
way to improve society and to stop such criminal
Doug Henwood:
And your "review" of David Harvey in the RRPE was an embarrassment - beyond
the realm of mere disagreement into the realm of serious misunderstanding.
Harvey was trying to think seriously about the meanings of place and
community - how sometimes these can be virtues and how
Louis Proyect wrote:
Actually, after 12 hours I have achieved a certain epiphany around this
question of academic journals and publishing houses that publish Marxish
literature. This transcends my disgust with what I went through over the
Harvey article submission. Since you are a professor
Louis and list,
I thought the original response to James O'Connor, as broadcast over the
list, was intemperate and uncalled for, just on the basis of those parts of
O'Connor's original message that were included in the post. On top of that
it was, presumably, a private correspondence whose
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