Let me put in a good word for COMMUNITAS by Paul Goodman and his brother
Perceval. Interesting utopian urbanism.
Peter
Has anyone read Alan Gilbert's book on Latin American cities? Those are
cities drastically in need, of well. something. Paul Goodman wrote
something interesting stuff on urban planning in his Utopian Essays. He
has an essay on banning cars from Manhatten. Imagine that!
Sam Pawlett
Louis, sometimes it seems as though you don't like an argument unless it
has a slogan attached to it. No, Cronon does not *denounce* the
destruction of the bison or the change in plains plant communities. (He
does emote a little about deforestation, as I recall.) But so what?
The point is the
And add to that the slave traders in west Africa and the consumers of
British cotton goods around the world, etc., etc., But of course there are
no former slaves still alive to collect.
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The physical location of capital , especially fictio
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
>I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding
>and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing)
>suburban sprawls in the United States would, I think, be good for both
>cities and rural ecosystems.
>
>Here at least (if not i
A friend of mine who writes mainly on cultural politics is looking to talk
to someone about the UK economy over the last 10-20 years. If anyone can
help him out, please email me offlist.
Thanks.
Doug
I just pulled William Cronon's Nature's Metropolis off the shelf and came
across this paragraph, on p. 340:
"The paradox of nineteenth-century Chicago was that the same market that
brought city and country ever closer together, giving them a common culture
and fostering ever more intimate communi
Louis Proyect wrote:
>>So there'll be no more cities in the Proyectian Utopia?
>>
>>Doug
>
>God, what low-level, baiting tripe. From a Yale graduate and Verso
>best-seller, no less.
That's not baiting, it's an invitation for you to expand on your argument.
When you say something like...
>Now y
Bill:
>On Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:11:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes:
>>...
>>While I am sympathetic to David Harvey's pro-urban + anti-primitivist
>>strain of thought (and distrustful of the rhetoric of the "noble savage"),
>>does it really matter (to marxists as political activists, that
Peter Dorman wrote:
>The *whole point* of NATURE'S METROPOLIS is that Chicago is *not* an
>ecosystem. Rather, there is a regional economy/ecology embracing
>Chicago *and* the prairies and forests to the west and north. I can't
>imagine how anyone could read this book and fail to see that, in
>Cr
Doug wrote:
<>
I have no idea what the resolution looks like, but at present rebuilding
and repopulating urban areas and stopping (and better yet, reversing)
suburban sprawls in the United States would, I think, be good for both
cities and rural ecosystems.
Here at least (if not in other countri
>So there'll be no more cities in the Proyectian Utopia?
>
>Doug
God, what low-level, baiting tripe. From a Yale graduate and Verso
best-seller, no less.
Louis Proyect
(http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)
Louis Proyect wrote:
>Using the term 'ecosystem' in this fashion is consistent with Harvey and
>Cronon's approach. Again, it does not address the fundamental contradiction
>addressed by Marx in the 19th century and which has only deepened. The
>creation of cities like NYC, LA and Chicago has crea
Ian Murray:
>Ecosystems have no essence; boundaries and material flows are observer
>defined constructs. Cities are ecosystems. There is a whole "new" field
>called industrial ecology that all Marxian thinkers would do well to look
>at, I'm sure Marx would have...
Using the term 'ecosystem' in
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Inconsistencies and contradictions are linguistic artifacts; nature does not
"contain" a nor or a not function in it's dynamics. Does a marine ecology
"contradict" a terrestrial one? A natural balance is always a temporary
eddy/stability in a relentless flux. Ecological apocalyptics are simply
While it is true that even our whole planet is not a self-contained system
and so might not be a true ecosystem, the idea of an ecosystem is that it is
a place that has a certain degree of coherence. My skin or my gut forms an
ecosystem for various microorganisms. A rain forest contains a certai
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CB
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The headline of an article on page 1 of the business section of the NY
Times of May 19 states: "Weapons makers seek rise in Pentagon spending."
The reporter states that "whatever lessons the war with Serbia may teach
NATO's military planners, Am
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The *whole point* of NATURE'S METROPOLIS is that Chicago is *not* an
ecosystem. Rather, there is a regional economy/ecology embracing
Chicago *and* the prairies and forests to the west and north. I can't
imagine how anyone could read this book and fail to see that, in
Cronon's view, the rise of
Sam Pawlett wrote:
>When reading Harvey's latest book I found all the time spent on Leibniz
>and Whitehead very strange and disappointing. A bit if a red herring.
>What is the point of invoking these very obscure thinkers? L&W
>constructed two of the strangest metaphysical systems around. L&W were
"the separation between city
and countryside undermines the very essence of an ecosystem: recycling of
nutrients into the soil."
Ecosystems have no essence; boundaries and material flows are observer
defined constructs. Cities are ecosystems. There is a whole "new" field
called industrial ecolo
New York Times May 26, 1999
Op Ed - Page A33
Well, Is He a Spy -- or Not?
By HOYT ZIA
ASHINGTON -- After serving almost five years in the Clinton
Administration, I've learned a number of things about Washington --
and one of them is how innuendo can ruin a reputation in no time.
In
>People live in cities, as do some trees and animals even. They eat food,
>create waste, breathe air, drink water. When I turn on my tap, I get water
>from a hundred miles upstate; when I turn on the light, I'm burning oil
>from Saudi Arabia. How can cities not be an ecosystem?
>
>Doug
Because as
Louis Proyect wrote:
>I didn't have space to get into this, but Harvey is very close to
>William Cronon on these questions, who also views urban spaces--Chicago in
>particular--as constituting "ecosystems". I believe this is nuts.
People live in cities, as do some trees and animals even. They ea
First, I had a similar reaction to Louis P, that Harvey flirts with
idealism in his latest book, and this can be seen in his application of
Liebnitz and Whitehead and the distance he takes from Engel's "strong
version" of dialectics. (If I understand these issue at all, I think that
Richard Levin
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Jim Devine:
>Are you saying that the problem with Leibniz is that he see
>the world (both of non-human nature and humanity) as one big harmonious
>totality? The Marxian vision, on the other hand, is that the totality of
>society suffers from the disease of class.
Yes, this is very important. It
Thinking about it a bit more, I figured out how Louis can say that Leibniz
exemplifies individualism at the same time that he is usually classified as
a philosopher of internal relations (seeing monads as parts of a greater
totality). Leibniz is a little like Adam Smith. Smith, in his WEALTH OF
NA
Agree. I will bet a lot of money that the Indian quoted did not have the European
concept of "individual ownership" or "private property" in mind in the statement in
dispute. In general, the indigenous peoples of North America had a different
conception of their relationship to land than the E
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Charles wrote: >It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition
definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in
North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in
the historical larger picture, the methods of the indigenous peoples are
I would appreciate it if someone forwarded a post (perhaps the one by
Chomsky) on what could have been done to avoid in Kosovo what
happened in Bosnia. Also Proyect once sent something on Havel which I
would like to see again. I really dont have the time to examine this
this issue of alternati
This may sound like a naive question, but does anyone know what was the
role, if any, of the new Eastern European NATO members in making the
decision on the air campaign against Serbia? Were they even consulted, or
simply learned from the CNN what the "NATO proper" had decided?
wojtek
When reading Harvey's latest book I found all the time spent on Leibniz
and Whitehead very strange and disappointing. A bit if a red herring.
What is the point of invoking these very obscure thinkers? L&W
constructed two of the strangest metaphysical systems around. L&W were
known primarily as mat
> The idea of cultural capital certainly describes what's going on here. My
> only problem with Bourdieu is that he casts it all in Marxish terms, when
> it is really not necessary. Snobbery and mandarinism have been around
> forever. Can't remember the name of the film, but a few years ago there
>>> Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/26/99 11:18AM >>>
G'day Penners,
Chas writes:
> It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has
the best practice regarding living and using the > earth in North America
and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in
'Ridicule' Relishes Chance to Play Around With Words
By KENNETH TURAN TIMES FILM CRITIC
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Formidably insincere, obsessed with appearances and armed with
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"Ridicule" sounds a lot like today's Holl
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Stated purpose of NATO bombing: To prevent humanitarian catastroph
The Cox report has placed the issue of China's defense policy squarely
on the front burner of US politics. In this context, it would be useful
for those participating in the political discourse to be informed
clearly of official Chinese policy on national defense.
It is interesting that the US is
It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition definitely has the best
practice regarding living and using the earth in North America and elsewhere in the
long run of the future. But overall, in the historical larger picture, the methods of
the indigenous peoples are closer to modes
Comments on Louis' essay:
This doesn't read like a book review as much as an essay. As an essay, it
doesn't really need to have a summary of the book in question. It would
also provoke a reply by Harvey, which would be useful.
Bertell Ollman's ALIENATION also uses the idea of internal relations
David Harvey and the American Indian
In his latest book, Justice, Nature & the Geography of Difference, David
Harvey questions the ecological sensitivity of the American Indian, whom
the Greens allegedly romanticize (Harvey 1996). We cannot conclude, he
says, that American Indian practices are su
Charles asks: >Who does own the plains and how did they gain title to them ?<
can we say that _anyone_ should "own" the plains in the sense of individual
ownership?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html
Bombing DESTROYS human rights. Ground troops ma
The physical location of capital , especially fictional capital , is an interesting
question. The surpluses from the South also went to England, so maybe the payback
should be international in this global economy.
The big bourgeoisie who were and are resident in the South, the former slaveowner
This issue of alternatives is extremely important, and doesn't always
get the respect it deserves from the left, IMO. As we know, there are
many societies in which elementary human rights are being devastated.
They are not reducible to a single cause (like "imperialism"); while
there is usually
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In theory, NATO makes decision following consensus (unanimity), so that the
new members should have endorsed the war. I would bet that _in practice_
NATO often avoids formal decisions so that unanimity can be avoided. But
the war is such a big issue that some sort of formal agreement was needed,
w
Charles wrote: >It would be difficult to prove which culture and tradition
definitely has the best practice regarding living and using the earth in
North America and elsewhere in the long run of the future. But overall, in
the historical larger picture, the methods of the indigenous peoples are
cl
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RELEASED TODAY: In 1998, the proportion of U.S. families with at least one
employed member was 82.6 percent, up 0.5 percentage point from 1997. Of the
nation's 70.2 million families, 6.4 percent reported having an unemployed
member, a decline of 0.6 perce
>a corrupt, disdainful world
>that is unaware of the apocalypse it is headed toward.
Note the contrast with our own corrupt, disdainful world, which IS aware of
the apocalypse it is headed toward and doesn't give a rusty fuck.
regards,
Tom Walker
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/covenant.htm
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A sharp essay by Bob Buzzanco "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NEW LEFT?
TOWARD A RADICAL READING OF AMERICAN FOREIGN RELATIONS,"
1999 Stuart L. Bernath Lecture, and scheduled to be published in the Fall
issue of the journal DIPLOMATIC HISTORY, is invaluable as a teaching and
analytical chec
Louis's movie was Ridicule. quite nice.
--
Michael Perelman
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On Tuesday, May 25, 1999 at 21:11:10 (-0500) Yoshie Furuhashi writes:
>...
>While I am sympathetic to David Harvey's pro-urban + anti-primitivist
>strain of thought (and distrustful of the rhetoric of the "noble savage"),
>does it really matter (to marxists as political activists, that is) whether
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