[PEN-L:7529] Re: RE: DeLong Compares Mao to Hitler

1999-06-01 Thread Brad De Long
>Who is this ultra-rightist idiot Delong? First of all, the use of the >disingenuous Kirkpatrickian term "Totalitarian" versus "Authoritarian" is >the first give away. If you have a society of despots and death squads that >is anti-communist, monopoly or dependent monopoly capitalist and a >whore/

[PEN-L:7528] (Fwd) Blair makes much of 'humanitarian values' but sells arms

1999-06-01 Thread ts99u-1.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.154.224]
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[PEN-L:7524] Psychology? (was Liquidated damages for slavery)

1999-06-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Wojtek: >At 03:13 PM 6/1/99 -0500, Yoshie wrote: >>Rod Hay wrote: >>>I don't believe in racial guilt. And I don't believe that any social group >>>has a monopoly on virtue. My ancestors were poor scotish crofters. If they >>>received any benefit from slavery, it was not apparent in their income. T

[PEN-L:7527] Warning

1999-06-01 Thread Michael Perelman
We do not need to be calling each other ultra-rightist idiots. I do not Brad agree with Brad. William Hinton blames the famine on conflicts within the government that immobilized it, but that is beside the point. We must keep a modicum of courtesy here. "Craven, Jim" wrote: > Who is this ultr

[PEN-L:7526] Re: Liquidated damages for slavery)

1999-06-01 Thread Rod Hay
Charles Brown and I are much more in agreement that I originally thought. I am afraid of unnecessary splits. The whole "identity politics" of the last few years divorced of class analysis has had a negative effect on progressive politics. They play into the strategy of divide and conquer which

[PEN-L:7523] Donors Plan Central America's 'Transformation'; Meanwhile, inAfrica....

1999-06-01 Thread Michael Eisenscher
[Here is a foretaste of what we can expect when the financial wizards of the "New World Order" meet to "reconstruct" devastated Yugoslavia. -- Tom C] Title: ECONOMY: Donors Plan Central America's 'Transformation' By Abid Aslam WASHINGTON, May 24 (IPS) - Donors and creditors are holding talks th

[PEN-L:7519] RE: Civilian targets "legitimate"

1999-06-01 Thread Max Sawicky
C. Burford said: > The Serbs report that in addition to the 30 civilian deaths on Sunday, there has been an attack on an apartment block in the south of Serbia. They say the deaths total 50 in the last two days. > There is also the report that NATO bombed a bridge in the middle of 'market day,'

[PEN-L:7518] Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-06-01 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Wojtek Sokolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/01/99 03:31PM >>> At 03:13 PM 6/1/99 -0500, Yoshie wrote: >Rod Hay wrote: >>I don't believe in racial guilt. And I don't believe that any social group >>has a monopoly on virtue. My ancestors were poor scotish crofters. If they >>received any benefit

[PEN-L:7522] RE: DeLong Compares Mao to Hitler

1999-06-01 Thread Craven, Jim
Who is this ultra-rightist idiot Delong? First of all, the use of the disingenuous Kirkpatrickian term "Totalitarian" versus "Authoritarian" is the first give away. If you have a society of despots and death squads that is anti-communist, monopoly or dependent monopoly capitalist and a whore/toad

[PEN-L:7517] DeLong Compares Mao to Hitler

1999-06-01 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
The attached post was the last of a series of exchanges with DeLong on his claim that Mao Zedong murdered with evil intent 30 million Chinese, making Mao the equivalent of Hitler. It was rejected by the mederator on another list. I apologise for moving it here, but since many here know DeLong's vi

[PEN-L:7516] Re: Re: Re: Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-06-01 Thread Charles Brown
This claim is based on a claim of class exploitation. The enslaved African were a unique category of laborer in the colonial/U.S. mode of production. They were slave, not wage, laborers. Labor is the source of all new value. Thus, this claim for reparations is class or economically based ; it

[PEN-L:7521] Nato strategy source?

1999-06-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Did NATO think up the terrorist strategy of bombing a second time when the rescuers arrive, or is Eric Rudolph now in the employ of the military? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA 95929 530-898-5321 fax 530-898-5901

[PEN-L:7515] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-06-01 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 03:13 PM 6/1/99 -0500, Yoshie wrote: >Rod Hay wrote: >>I don't believe in racial guilt. And I don't believe that any social group >>has a monopoly on virtue. My ancestors were poor scotish crofters. If they >>received any benefit from slavery, it was not apparent in their income. The >>point is

[PEN-L:7514] Re: Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

1999-06-01 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/28/99 05:03PM >>> But I see no reason to embrace "Dances with Wolves" romanticism about the Indians. ( CB: This is a well known stereotyping of a position that focuses on respect for the ideas of other modes of production. Another term for th

[PEN-L:7513] Re: Re: Re: Re: Liquidated damages for slavery

1999-06-01 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Rod Hay wrote: >I don't believe in racial guilt. And I don't believe that any social group >has a monopoly on virtue. My ancestors were poor scotish crofters. If they >received any benefit from slavery, it was not apparent in their income. The >point is that all past modes of production were based

[PEN-L:7520] Re: Re: Re: J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >> But I see no reason to embrace "Dances with Wolves" romanticism about the Indians. << Charles Brown writes: > This is a well known stereotyping of a position that focuses on respect for the ideas of other modes of production. Another term for this romanticism is "noblizing the savage"

[PEN-L:7505] FW: Update on Shays-Frank amendment

1999-06-01 Thread Max Sawicky
fyi teetering towards the peace camp, mbs -Original Message- From: McGlinchey, Daniel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 1:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Update on Shays-Frank amendment The amendment to reduce the number of troops that the United States k

[PEN-L:7512] Turkey: Arm Sales and Human Rights

1999-06-01 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
Foreign Policy In Focus Vol. 4, No. 16 o May 1999 Turkey: Arms and Human Rights By Tamar Gabelnick, Federation of American Scientists Edited by Tom Barry (IRC) and Martha Honey (IPS) Key Points o Turkey has long topped the list of U.S. arms importers and recipients of U.S. military ai

[PEN-L:7511] Re: Krugman in NY Times Tuesday

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:04 AM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: >Paul Krugman of MIT has an OP Ed in today's ny Times. >... After opining that we are "hard-wired" to emulate the better >off, he concludes by re-assuring that "Now there are faint hints in >popular culture -- though certainly not in the spending numbers -- th

[PEN-L:7510] Re: Krugman in NY Times Tuesday

1999-06-01 Thread Peter Dorman
I've become convinced that the "theory of the consumer" as developed in economics textbooks is not a theory of consumption any more than the "theory of the firm" is a theory of production. Their main purpose is to provide a story to support the formal modeling of excess demand functions. They wi

[PEN-L:7509] E-mail to International Criminal Tribunal

1999-06-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: e-mail to International Criminal Tribunal This email is in two parts. The first part is a brief introduction explaining the second part. The second part is a short citizen's submission to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugo

[PEN-L:7508] Re: Re: FW: Update on Shays-Frank amendment

1999-06-01 Thread michael
Rohrbacher was supposedly the model for Bob Roberts, a Tim Robbins film. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:7507] Krugman in NY Times Tuesday

1999-06-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
Paul Krugman of MIT has an OP Ed in today's ny Times. He says that humans are hard wired to judge themselves in comparison with others, with respect to consumption. He also says "... consumer spending ultimately disappoints because of habituation." These two remarks attack two fundament

[PEN-L:7506] Re: FW: Update on Shays-Frank amendment

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
>The amendment to reduce the number of troops that the United States keeps permanently stationed in Europe from 100,000 to 25,000 over a period of three years was cosponsored by Reps. Shay (R-CT), Frank (D-MA), Rohrabacher (R-CA), Condit (D-CA), Bilbray (R-CA), Rivers (D-MI), Upton (R-MI), Sanders

[PEN-L:7500] BLS Daily Report

1999-06-01 Thread Richardson_D
> BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, MAY 27, 1999: > > New factory orders fell 2.3 percent in April, reflecting a decline in the > volatile transportation sector, the Commerce Department says. Total > orders for manufactured durable goods -- items built to last 3 years > or more -- declined $4.5 billio

[PEN-L:7499] BLS Daily Report

1999-06-01 Thread Richardson_D
> BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, MAY 28, 1999: > > The number of seasonally adjusted unemployment insurance claims filed with > state agencies in the week ended May 22 stood at 300,000, and the Labor > Department reported no change in the number of new applications for > unemployment insurance that we

[PEN-L:7504] query

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
does anyone know the e-mail address of the "Motley Fool" so that I can send him (them?) the message that I sent to pen-l last week about 1929 and 1999? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html Bombing DESTROYS human rights. Ground troops make things worse.

[PEN-L:7503] Re: Re: Re: Some Disquieting Info

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
>Barkley wrote: >>I agree that this is disquieting information. I must >>admit that I really do not know what Zimmerman's >>motives were in 1992. I know that you are convinced >>of this effort to break up Yugoslavia for economic >>imperialism motives. But by 1992, that had already >>happened.

[PEN-L:7502] class & health

1999-06-01 Thread Jim Devine
from Scott Shuger's SLATE column: >A [NY TIMES] piece explains that on the strength of much recent research, scientists have concluded that social class is a more powerful predictor of health than genetics, exposure to carcinogen and habits like smoking. In one study, it was found that people who

[PEN-L:7501] FW: Leonard's Book: Urgent Correction for Book Orders

1999-06-01 Thread Craven, Jim
-Original Message- From: LISN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 7:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Leonard's Book: Urgent Correction for Book Orders Leonard's Book: Urgent Correction for Book Orders Please Note: We just received the following notice regardi

[PEN-L:7498] Re: Ralph Reed Meets Jim Metrock

1999-06-01 Thread Patrick Bond
Fine, but y'all are missin' a real important point: the "content" of 'Bama schoolin' itself. Patrick (Victim of primary and secondary education in Huntsville, AL, 1969-76) > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Max Sawicky) > To:"Pen-L" <[EMAIL PROTE