[PEN-L:9590] chico in the news

1999-07-23 Thread michael
You never know what wierdness exists around you. One of the two young men that killed the two gay men and probably torched a few Sacramento synagogues grew up about 20 miles from here and one briefly attended Chico State. Also, the young woman beheaded in Yosemite was a Chico grad. -- Michae

[PEN-L:9591] Re: pen-l archives

1999-07-23 Thread Brad De Long
>Louis wrote me to ask about the pen-l archives. They have been a very >important part of the list. I get a message maybe twice a week from >someone >who finds something on the list via a search engine. > >As you may remember, Don Roper, who houses the archive and has done a >wonderful job, is w

[PEN-L:9589] Cherokee Trail of Tears

1999-07-23 Thread Frank Durgin
Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Remote-MTA: DNS; galaxy.csuchico.edu Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:50:36 -0400 (EDT) http://rosecity.net/tears/trail/tearsnht.html The Cherokee Trail of Tears - National Historic Trail - 1838-1839 N

[PEN-L:9588] pen-l archives

1999-07-23 Thread Louis Proyect
>As you may remember, Don Roper, who houses the archive and has done a >wonderful job, is worried (overly so, I believe) about the copyright >problem. This is fucking ridiculous. First it was getting censored over using 4-letter words, now it is making the archives virtually unusable. I was in a

[PEN-L:9587] Quincy Farms Settles Dispute with UFW

1999-07-23 Thread Michael Hoover
forwarded by Michael Hoover > http://www.tdo.com/news/breaking/docs/20MUSHROO-CMP-NWS.htm > > Quincy Farms settles dispute with United Farm Workers > > The agreement increases wages from $5.25 to $5.75 an hour for mushroom > packers. > > By Bill Cotterell > DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER > >Mo

[PEN-L:9585] Re: Michael Jordan and the global economy

1999-07-23 Thread Michael Yates
I am teaching a course in global political economy this coming fall with an anthropologist friend of mine. In the textbook, "Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism," the author (Richard Robbins) citing William Waits, argues that Santa Claus's major role was to "decontaminate" Christmas gif

[PEN-L:9584] RE: question

1999-07-23 Thread Max Sawicky
a pause from work, to ask a question: it was reported that the US House of Rent-a-tives recently passed a GOP "massive tax cut." In order to convince "moderates" to vote for it, I understand that it has provisions rescinding or moderating the tax cuts if and when the projected budgetary surpluses

[PEN-L:9586] pen-l archives

1999-07-23 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis wrote me to ask about the pen-l archives. They have been a very important part of the list. I get a message maybe twice a week from someone who finds something on the list via a search engine. As you may remember, Don Roper, who houses the archive and has done a wonderful job, is worried

[PEN-L:9581] Indian Removal

1999-07-23 Thread Frank Durgin
Indian Removal Extract from Andrew Jackson's Seventh Annual Message to Congress December 7, 1835 The plan of removing the aboriginal people who yet remain within th

[PEN-L:9580] Jackson's Case for the Removal Act

1999-07-23 Thread Frank Durgin
President Andrew Jackson's Case for the Removal Act First Annual Message to Congress, 8 December 1830 It gives me pleasure to announce to Congress that the benevolent policy of the Government, steadily pursued for nearly thirty years, in relation to the removal of the Indians beyond the whit

[PEN-L:9582] Slave wages

1999-07-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Atlantic Monthly, http://www.theatlantic.com A work of history puts a price on slave labor -- and could be used to determine modern-day reparations by Jack Beatty May 12, 1999 That Swiss banks are paying compensation to the families of Holocaust survivors is a welcome precedent for African-Am

[PEN-L:9579] Michael Jordan and the global economy

1999-07-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Atlantic Monthly, http://www.theatlantic.com A new book examines the economic impact of Michael Jordan and shows why his Airness represents globalism at its most powerful by Jack Beatty July 21, 1999 Michael Jordan has the soul of a cash register -- or so Walter LaFeber, a distinguished Corne

[PEN-L:9578] Re: the Max Questions

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
To be clear, I am agreeing with Jim D below. Even more, today I say that Stalinism is as normal in the U.S. as the Democratic Party. CB >>> "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/23/99 01:12PM >>> >>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/23/99 11:55AM >>> Stalin and the like might be damned for p

[PEN-L:9577] Re: tiresome debates

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
By the way, the international law definition of genocide was not formulated by only Soviet Communists, but U.S. and other Western liberals, So, use of the UN definition is not somekind of inappropriate. Communist rhetoric in arguments with liberal/social democrats. The Nurembourg statutes and d

[PEN-L:9576] Re: the Max Questions

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/23/99 11:55AM >>> Stalin and the like might be damned for pursuing a top-down approach _from the start_, which in some way implied (given the conjunction of historical forces) despotism. However, the top-down approach is shared by the vast majority (99 and 44

[PEN-L:9575] A Simple Solemn Farewell

1999-07-23 Thread Frank Durgin
The headlines of today's local paper (Portland Press Herald) read "A Simple, Solemn farewell" The article describes how Kennedy "Family members watched from the deck of a Navy destroyer as a brass quintet played a hymn...The flag was lowered to half mask as ...mournersflanked by sailors i

[PEN-L:9574] Re: tiresome debates

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
The UN Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which Jim Craven has posted several times on the list specifically defines the mental element (mens rea) of the crime of genocide as intent to kill or do an number of other things to a goup as a whole OR IN PART. Thi

[PEN-L:9573] RE: Rummel et al

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
>>> >>> Max Sawicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/22/99 06:11PM >>>Now am I losing my mind, or >does the phrase "That doesn't mean the term is inappropriate . . . " where the antecedent for 'the term' is 'genocide' not mean that I am allowing, in my wishy-washy way, that the term COULD be appropriate?

[PEN-L:9571] RE: Rummel et al

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
Well, Glory Be. I can agree with Brad D. As to the term for the major crime , how about just "slavery". Lets just associate with the term "slavery" an enormous sense of crime. It is different but equally aggregious as genocide. I believe slavery , like genocide, is a specific crime in internat

[PEN-L:9583] question

1999-07-23 Thread Jim Devine
a pause from work, to ask a question: it was reported that the US House of Rent-a-tives recently passed a GOP "massive tax cut." In order to convince "moderates" to vote for it, I understand that it has provisions rescinding or moderating the tax cuts if and when the projected budgetary surpluses

[PEN-L:9567] BLS Daily Report

1999-07-23 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, JULY 22, 1999 Both the number of events and the number of workers affected by extended mass layoffs increased in the first quarter of 1999 compared with the same period a year earlier, according to BLS. In the January to March period of this year, BLS said there were

[PEN-L:9566] Re: Credibility:Max's demogogy continue.

1999-07-23 Thread Charles Brown
Yes, I accidently quoted "ha(ving) has..." when I meant to take out the second "has". But otherwise the quote seems to match what you reprint below, and the meaning is not misrepresented by that typo. This is more demogogy. Charles Brown >>> Max Sawicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/22/99 02:02PM

[PEN-L:9565] My Ideologies

1999-07-23 Thread Louis Proyect
>They'd become rich, successful semi-peripheries, just like Spain, >Portugal, Ireland, and the Visegrad countries, and a lucky few -- like >Finland and Italy -- would have joined the core. Eurocapitalism has its >faults, but carpet-bombing its main export markets is not among them. > >But pay me n

[PEN-L:9540] Re: Re: Re: My Ideologies

1999-07-23 Thread Rob Schaap
What was so demonstrably brutal about the PKI, anyway? >Brad De Long wrote: > >>Do the "deaths in Indonesia need to be attributed to liberal U.S. >>capitalism"? To the U.S. national security state, perhaps. But even >>there you have to construct a counterfactual picture of what the >>succession t

[PEN-L:9572] Re: the Max Questions

1999-07-23 Thread Jim Devine
Max wrote that "the big system question" was "is BDC [bourgeois democratic capitalism] amenable to reform?" whereas the "the big political question" is "are reformist movements feasible and effective at a relevant level?" where I've added the question marks. It's pretty obvious (at least to me)

[PEN-L:9568] Sandronsky's Off-List equest

1999-07-23 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Hi PEN-Lers, I'm requesting list members to send me info about the pending Senate bill to designate Yugoslavia as a "terrorist state" and the KLA as the official political representative of Kosovo. Please reply off-list. Thanks much in advance. Seth Sandronsky _

[PEN-L:9569] Re: Re: Re: Re: My Ideologies

1999-07-23 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >> It's no surprise that Angus >> Maddison dubs the U.S. in the early 20th century a "heavy protectionist" >> country. This strategy of import-substitution was of course successful in >> insulating US business from British competition, allowing them to overtake >> and exceed Britain (par

[PEN-L:9570] Re: Re: tiresome debates

1999-07-23 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:58 PM 7/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>One more question -- If slavery was not a Holocaust because the >>intention was not immediate death > >I said that slavery did not seem to me to be "genocide"--because the >aim was not to destroy West Africans as a people, but rather to be >(and remain)

[PEN-L:9564] Re: Re: Re: My Ideologies

1999-07-23 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug Henwood wrote: > tried to smother it in its crib? Who knows what would have happened > elsewhere in Latin America & the Caribbean if the Cubans had been > allowed to go their way? What would have happened in Nicaragua if > Reagan hadn't unleashed the contras? What wou

[PEN-L:9563] Re: Re: Re: My Ideologies

1999-07-23 Thread Michael Pollak
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Jim Devine wrote: > It's no surprise that Angus > Maddison dubs the U.S. in the early 20th century a "heavy protectionist" > country. This strategy of import-substitution was of course successful in > insulating US business from British competition, allowing them to overtake

[PEN-L:9562] RE: tiresome debates

1999-07-23 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Look, I think that it is settled. Brad and Max think that the left has done unspeakable evil, while imperialism has done some rather bad stuff. . . . > mbs: Which Brad and Max are those? The same one alleged to have said that genocides of non-whites were of no importance? These burl