Re: Re: email gambit (was fuck the math . . .)

2000-02-08 Thread Roger Odisio
Michael Perelman wrote: > Our system has been down. I have not been able to follow this thread. The > mail I am reading is also out of order, but it seems that Roger is going over > the top with Tom. please stop. Could you please explain what you mean by "it seems that Roger is going over the

Re: Re: smartness

2000-02-08 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad De Long wrote: >Why is there this extraordinary--eager--desire to take Keynes's >quote out of context? Remarkable, isn't it? Didn't Hayek offer the charming interpretation that Keynes's queerness made him not care about the future? Doug

Re: email gambit (was fuck the math . . .)

2000-02-08 Thread Michael Perelman
Our system has been down. I have not been able to follow this thread. The mail I am reading is also out of order, but it seems that Roger is going over the top with Tom. please stop. Timework Web wrote: > I haven't had so much fun since a bunch of latter-day Anarcho-Pagans > called me provoca

Re: email gambit (was fuck the math . . .)

2000-02-08 Thread Brad De Long
>I haven't had so much fun since a bunch of latter-day Anarcho-Pagans >called me provocateur and police agent. O.K., O.K. I can see I'm not >welcome here. Unless I get positive feedback from other subscribers, Pen-l >won't have me to kick it around anymore. *That's* my gambit. I'm not in it >for t

Re: smartness

2000-02-08 Thread Brad De Long
>Again we see the old Keynes quote out of context. The original sense was >that if we waited for the economy to work itself out of an depression, >"in the long run" as was advocated by the right, we would all be dead by >the time it happened, i.e., it wouldn't happen. > >The rest of the article, h

smartness

2000-02-08 Thread Rod Hay
Again we see the old Keynes quote out of context. The original sense was that if we waited for the economy to work itself out of an depression, "in the long run" as was advocated by the right, we would all be dead by the time it happened, i.e., it wouldn't happen. The rest of the article, however

RE: Do the math II

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
Max, you butterfly, you. I would agree that the outcome in the example you give seems "less unappealing". That is perhaps because we can imagine what it is like to have an income of $10,000 and what it would feel like to get a $1000 boost. We can also imagine how unimportant a $2000 windfall might

"Smartness" alone is not enough

2000-02-08 Thread Louis Proyect
[These are the concluding paragraphs of an article "Can They Really Cure Depression" written by Harry Braverman for the American Socialist in May of 1954. Braverman was co-editor of the magazine until he moved on to the Monthly Review editorial board at the end of the '50s. The magazine was co-edi

RE: Re: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Max Sawicky
Over on LBO they're arguing about who is more psychotic. I think both sides are winning. So this debate compares well. I would be sorry to see either TW or RO go. Neither of them has called me an insect yet. On the substance of the matter . . . TW said: Max has an income of $100. Ro

Re: email gambit (was fuck the math . . .)

2000-02-08 Thread Eugene Coyle
Tom, don't go! Behind the original question I posed about "progressive taxation" was a motive. In preparation for someday attacking the analysis that is going to defend the California de-regulation as a form of "progressive taxation." I wanted to check to see if there was any basis for cl

TINAF 4:12 (#386): Special On Haider

2000-02-08 Thread Paul Kneisel
Special Issue On Haider and Austrian Fascism _ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Monday, 7 February 2000 Vol. 4, Number 12 (#386) _

email gambit (was fuck the math . . .)

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
I haven't had so much fun since a bunch of latter-day Anarcho-Pagans called me provocateur and police agent. O.K., O.K. I can see I'm not welcome here. Unless I get positive feedback from other subscribers, Pen-l won't have me to kick it around anymore. *That's* my gambit. I'm not in it for the gr

Re: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
Roger Odisio wrote, > mean between $10,000 and $15,000--the last bit of bullshit you used to > avoid addressing which tax system I posited was more progressive.) Getting testy now, are we? Max has an income of $100. Roger has an income of $10. I give Max $2

Re: Fuck the math. Do the history!

2000-02-08 Thread Roger Odisio
Tom Walker: > I sense a lot of associative confusion on the issue of > "progressive" taxation. There are two connotations of progressive that are > being mixed up here. There is also an intimate historical connection > between the uses of the two connotations. One meaning of progressive is > the

Consumer credit

2000-02-08 Thread Louis Proyect
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Re: Re: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Roger Odisio
Tom Walker: > Roger Odisio wrote, > > > An electricity price reduction is the same thing as a lump sum rebate in > > this context; each has the same effect on disposable income. > > No. The lump-sum rebate in your example was without regard to levels of > consumption. The poor consumer received t

Re: re: intellectual property rights

2000-02-08 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >>It's because Disney sued on the grounds of copyright infringement, since they had produced a movie about the Hunchback. The columnist speculated that Disney would sue Victor Hugo next. Is this story true? How could Disney win such a suit? or did the loser simply capitulate to avoid

re: intellectual property rights

2000-02-08 Thread Nathan Newman
>On Behalf Of Jim Devine >It's because Disney sued on the > grounds of > copyright infringement, since they had produced a movie about the > Hunchback. The columnist speculated that Disney would sue Victor > Hugo next. > Is this story true? How could Disney win such a suit? or did the loser > si

Fuck the math. Do the history!

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
I sense a lot of associative confusion on the issue of "progressive" taxation. There are two connotations of progressive that are being mixed up here. There is also an intimate historical connection between the uses of the two connotations. One meaning of progressive is the arithmetic one in which

Re: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
Roger Odisio wrote, > An electricity price reduction is the same thing as a lump sum rebate in > this context; each has the same effect on disposable income. No. The lump-sum rebate in your example was without regard to levels of consumption. The poor consumer received the same $200 as the rich

intellectual property rights

2000-02-08 Thread Jim Devine
A few days ago, the humor column "Off-Kilter" in the L.A. TIMES reported a story that may or may not be true (given the source) but sounds plausible. A company has been producing a figure of the "Hunchback of Notre Dame" for many years, but was forced to change the name to "the Bell-Ringer of N

A snapshot of today

2000-02-08 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penpals, Well, if we're not gonna talk information economics, is the list of currently-in-train-phenomena of any interest to anyone? Is there a significant shape to be made of it? * Japan back into recession, on the account of Japan's Head of Economic Planning hisself (BLS & Washington Po

10C on the march!

2000-02-08 Thread Jim Devine
> An inside story at the [Washington Post says that] the Indiana legislature yesterday passed a bill allowing schools and other public buildings to post the Ten Commandments. The paper explains that in the coming weeks another nine states are poised to vote on similar measures. < since the TV is

Re: RE: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Roger Odisio
Tom Walker wrote: > Roger Odisio wrote, > > > The clearest way to see the effect . . . > > The key word here is "effect". The illustration you gave, Roger, is not of > a flat-rate reduction but of a lump-sum rebate. Under the circumstances, a > lump-sum rebate _would_ be progressive in the strict

RE: Do the math. II

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
Roger Odisio wrote, > The clearest way to see the effect . . . The key word here is "effect". The illustration you gave, Roger, is not of a flat-rate reduction but of a lump-sum rebate. Under the circumstances, a lump-sum rebate _would_ be progressive in the

Re: Do the math. I

2000-02-08 Thread Timework Web
Max Sawicky wrote, > But suppose it is the ratio of net of tax income? > In Walker's example, the ratio changes from > (9/8)*(rich inc/poor inc) to (91/82) * (rich/poor). > The latter is smaller, which could be taken to > mean "more" progressivity. Or less inequality. The dictionary definition

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Re: Do the math.

2000-02-08 Thread Roger Odisio
Tom Walker wrote: > I don't quarrel with the definition, only with applying the term to > a situation where it doesn't apply. Be humble. Do the math. > > > "Increasing in rate as the taxable amount increases: a progressive > > income tax." > > The definition refers to the rate and the taxable amo