Three reviewers of Frank's Reorient, and Frank's reply to them...very
hot dabate in the recent volume of _Review_:
Review XXII, 3, 1999
Samir Amin, "History Conceived as an Eternal Cycle"
Amin considers that Frank's static vision of the global system has
turned into a bland philosophy of histo
But seriously folks, DO we still speak of the Bilderbergers/Trilateral
Commission as either symbolic of, or central to, the role of
trans-national, trans-sectoral integrated first-world elites in shaping the
international political economy? There was a flurry of such talk a few
years back (Cox, v
It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
who know nothing about science. The point of the rhetoric usually boils
down to the profound insight that scientists are people and as such are
influenced as others are by there social surroundings.
Rod
--
Rod Hay
[EMAIL PR
You "gather"? In truth you haven't a clue as to
either what our "policies" are or how they are
"determined". Our relation to the 'bigwigs' is
similar to yours with dead Trotskyists. We are
motivated by their interests, and we try to avoid
offending them.
To take the infamous example of trade, a
Just by coincidence, I am in the next to final chapter of Frank's book,
which I strongly recommend to PEN-L'ers. Just a few tentative conclusions:
1. While repeatedly condemning Marx and Weber in the same breath, Frank
seems either unaware or willfully refuses to engage with the late Marx or
Marx
> Three reviewers of Frank's Reorient, and Frank's reply to them...very
> hot dabate in the recent volume of _Review_:
>
> Review XXII, 3, 1999
Although these are just summaries of review-articles (?) by Amin, Wallerstein
and Arrighi of Frank's Re-Orient, it looks like there's not much in the
I usually don't forward David Bacon's excellent reports, but this one
raises a question for me: why do the janitors have so much relative
success, while other unions that would seem to have fewer advantages
have floundered? Of course, it is hard to move the janitorial jobs
abroad.
JANITORS TAKE
In a message dated 00-04-10 10:17:29 EDT, you write:
<< Of course, it is hard to move the janitorial jobs
abroad. >>
Right, if that is the way you feel about it, you're fired. We will hire
people to take out the trash in our Djakarta offices. --jks
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on 10/4/00 12:00 pm, Rob Schaap at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But seriously folks, DO we still speak of the Bilderbergers/Trilateral
> Commission as either symbolic of, or central to, the role of
> trans-national, tra
>On Behalf Of Michael Perelman
>
> I usually don't forward David Bacon's excellent reports, but this one
> raises a question for me: why do the janitors have so much relative
> success, while other unions that would seem to have fewer advantages
> have floundered? Of course, it is hard to move
Los Angeles Times, August 8, 1995:
The Service Employees International Union took desperately poor, Latino
immigrant janitors and turned them into a militant army of in-your-face
protesters powerful enough to force Los Angeles' biggest cleaning companies
to unionize.
Now, the janitors and other
>CONTRA EL TERRORISMO DE ESTADO EN BOLIVIA
> La decisisn del gobierno boliviano de elevar en un 300% la tarifa del
>agua ha desatado
>la ira popular en Bolivia, un pams muy castigado ya por el hambre y el
>desempleo.
> Los violentos enfrentamientos, con epicentro en la ciudad de
>Cochabamba y
Richard Lewontin and Stephan Gould are "scientists" in case you don't
knowand your science (socio-biology) is a "flat earth science"!
Mine
>It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
>who know nothing about science.
>Rod
--
Rod Hay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Histo
I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
backwardness was a
I had written: >> It's important to remember that there are markets are at
work here and that markets can work independently of the will of any
individual or company. But there are lots of problems with markets even
when individual manipulation and monopoly play no role.<<
Charles writes:
>But
Come on. We have had enough of this.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Lewontin and Stephan Gould are "scientists" in case you don't
> knowand your science (socio-biology) is a "flat earth science"!
>
> Mine
>
> >It gets pretty tedious reading "cultural critiques of science" by people
> >w
I agree with what Nathan said, but that brings up another question: why
haven't other unions followed a similar tactic with enormous grassroots
organizing together with creative forms of activism. Didn't Justice for
Janitors lend a great deal of credibility to Sweeney's election?
--
Michael Per
Ricardo writes:
>I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
>masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
>the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the left
>about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
>
And neither Richard Lewontin nor Stephen Jay Gould has ever written a
cultural critique of science. They confront the science directly with
scientific arguments. Sociobiology is full of shit. But that doesn't make the
cultural critiques any more interesting.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Le
Once every couple of weeks I play chess with John and Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a
long-time Nation subscriber and John, a lawyer by profession, is the kind
of New Yorker who voted for Giuliani. I usually let the two of them argue
politics since the gap between John and me is too wide to allow civil
deba
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/09/00 04:46PM >>>
(book review)
___-
CB: Thanks for this book review, Jim.
I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author was
explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be discussion
going b
What I got from the Diamond book was not The Naked Ape, but more of an
environmental history. The European/Asian regions that developed had access to
large draft animals and easily harvested seeds. Close proximity to the large
mammals created diseases for which these people had immunity, making
Quoth Louis P: > As soon as it came out, he began waving Jared Diamond's
book in our face. "See," he shouted, "we had nothing to do with black
people's suffering."<
His interpretation of the book is wrong. It sounds like he hadn't read the
book. It's always a big mistake to praise (or, for tha
Diamond digs into some kind of "interdependent" capitalist
development theory--colonialism taking advantage of Africa's situation ,
but economic backwardness, in his final analysis, seems to be stemming
from internal conditions, tribal heritage, pre-capitalist mode of
production, lack of natural
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 12:44PM >>
Louis quotes a FINANCIAL TIMES review of Diamond's "Third Chimp" book:
>To a disinterested observer from another planet, he reminds us, humanity
>would be classified as just another large ape, a very close cousin to the
>chimpanzees. We sha
> >Brad,can you please read the rest of Steve's post, or the sentence that
>>prior to the sentence you cite? since Steve is not here, I can not talk
>>on behalf of him, but his work is an excellent piece in Marxian sociology.
>
>Here's a precious snippet from this nitwit (Steve Rosenthal)
>from a
>I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
>masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
>the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
>left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
>backwardness was a
Jim wrote
>
> Mine didn't use the phrase "bourgeois thinker," but I agree: one can learn
> from people like Keynes. Keynes fills in a lot of gaps in Marx's vision of
> macroeconomics, for example. Even an anti-Semite and eugenicist like Irving
> Fisher had some good things to say, e.g., his theor
I don't know, West Africa was "more advanced" than Europe during the European Middle
Ages, the 500 years before 1500. The ecology didn't change in the interim.
I tend to think of Europe's leap forward over the rest of the world (not just Africa)
in the last 500 years, as an expression of a sort
true. that is what I "meant"...
Mine
Ted wrote:
>I didn't intend to suggest that Mine had used the phrase "bourgeois
>thinker". What I was getting at was the idea that seemed implicit in her
>question that Marshall and Keynes could not have radical ideas because
>they
>were not in some sense
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Could that be because the figure includes stock by-backs, which Doug
>Henwood has been reminding us exceed stock issuance?
>--
Yes, and takeovers. And the trend goes back to the early 1980s.
All this should be well known to readers of LBO and Wall Street.
Doug
>
>I do know that Jim Blaut makes a few dismissive comments in Diamond's
>direction. Myself, I have yet to see anything in the reviews that would
>make me want to delve into his book. I first stumbled across Diamond about
>ten years ago, when reviews portrayed him as a sociobiologist in the Robert
>I don't know, West Africa was "more advanced" than Europe during the
>European Middle Ages, the 500 years before 1500. The ecology didn't
>change in the interim.
>
>I tend to think of Europe's leap forward over the rest of the world
>(not just Africa) in the last 500 years, as an expression of
>>> Ted Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 01:08PM >>>
In Hegel's account of this, "class" is given an essential role. This is
found in his treatment of the master/slave "relation of production" in the
*Phenomenology of Mind*. The position of the slave in this relation is to
an important degr
> >I dont know if this is a work of "total genius" but it is certainly a
> >masterful explanation for the differing patterns of development of
> >the continents of the world. But what is so troubling for many in the
> >left about this book is that it proves beyond a doubt that Africa's
> >backwar
>>> Brad De Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 02:27PM >>>
>I don't know, West Africa was "more advanced" than Europe during the
>European Middle Ages, the 500 years before 1500. The ecology didn't
>change in the interim.
>
>I tend to think of Europe's leap forward over the rest of the world
>
Because this discussion is effectively being perpetuated after your
warning, Michael, I am finalizing my comments to prevent a perpetuation
of misuderstanding.
>And neither Richard Lewontin nor Stephen Jay Gould has ever written a
>cultural critique of science. They confront the science directly
>> the east African coast, the House of Peace, have a name from a
>> language whose heartland is two thousand miles north?
>
>Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
>Africa.
Why isn't Dar-es-Salaam considered part of Black Africa? For that matter,
what constitutes Blac
>>> "Ricardo Duchesne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 03:42PM
I still think his argument is, by implication, a direct challege
to dependency theory, eventhough he never refers to this word; and he
certainly does not say that a process of "underdevelopment" occurs
in Africa after 1500. He is ver
>CB: Thanks for this book review, Jim.
you're welcome
>I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author
>was explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be
>discussion going back to the origin of agriculture , which is 7,000 years
>ago or so.
> Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
> Africa.
>
> __
>
> CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent and racist theory.
Simply saying that one can, as Diamond does, dr
1) I have not followed the entire thread closely. Is a distinction being
made between pre- and post-Arabicization/Islamicization?
2) This is factually incorrect in either case.
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
>Egyptians, Tunisians, Moroccans, Libyans and others in the
>Northern areas are "white".
Charles Brown wrote:
>
> CB: This is an interesting thesis you put forth, but a question that arises
> for me is that humans have tools and relations of production before they have
> class exploitative relations of production ( master/slave relationship). So
> the development of the forces of pr
Ricardo says that Diamond is a direct challenge to dependency theory. I
think that he would agree that institutions play a larger role after 1600
than before. He deals with before that time.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
but Sudan is classified as part of "Northern Africa", and sometimes Middle
East. Sudanese workers go to work in Egypt as seasonal workers. There is
some african labor force living in Egypt, particulary in the south, and
in other regions such as persian gulf states. This distinction between
black
>Ricardo says that Diamond is a direct challenge to dependency theory. I
>think that he would agree that institutions play a larger role after 1600
>than before. He deals with before that time.
I've been browsing through Lexis-Nexis this afternoon on and off trying to
get a handle on Diamond. I
I agree with Lou. But on this an interesting exchange took place in Toronto
Star a few years ago. A Somalian refugee wrote a letter chastising the black
community for not doing more for refugees from that part of the world. Some one
responded that it was because they did not consider Somalians and
"Pan arabism" was a term used by Arab nationalists in the late 19th
century to refer to 1) unity of Arab nation 2) unity of Muslims (Sunnis).
Arabism was not per se defined in racial terms (though I can still extract
racist elements) for Islam was seen as a unifying element in the
constitution of
This discussion was stupid before, now it has become idiotic. RACIST for
disagreeing with you?
I refuse any further correspondence on this issue, or I will start to
believe
that Henry has returned under another name.
Rod
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "cultural critique of science" is your illusio
I am in a hurry right now, but this sort of discourse does not belong here!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Since you are not strong enough to challange socio-biology and its sexism,
> you automatically equate its critics with doing culturalism.. this is a
> standard personal affront fashionable amon
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 03:22PM >>>
>I was a little unclear. At first it seemed you were saying that the author
>was explaining the conquests of the last 500 years. Then there seems to be
>discussion going back to the origin of agriculture , which is 7,000 years
>ago or
>>> "Ricardo Duchesne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 04:27PM >>>
> Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
> Africa.
>
> __
>
> CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent an
I have already asked her to cool it. I would like you to back down also.
Rod Hay wrote:
> This discussion was stupid before, now it has become idiotic. RACIST for
>
> disagreeing with you?
> I refuse any further correspondence on this issue, or I will start to
> believe
> that Henry has returne
>I agree with Lou. But on this an interesting exchange took place in Toronto
>Star a few years ago. A Somalian refugee wrote a letter chastising the black
>community for not doing more for refugees from that part of the world.
Some one
>responded that it was because they did not consider Somalians
Brad writes:
>Ken Pomeranz's _The Great Divergence_ develops it to some degree--that the
>very *success* of India and China at mobilizing resources gave them large
>populations, and that Europe's earlier lack of success at mobilizing
>resources gave at an extra edge of free resources that helpe
>>> Ted Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 03:57PM >>>
Charles Brown wrote:
>
> CB: This is an interesting thesis you put forth, but a question that arises
> for me is that humans have tools and relations of production before they have
> class exploitative relations of production ( master/sl
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 04/10/00 05:05PM >>>
this doesn't contradict Diamond, for what it's worth. His emphasis,
however, is on how the unity of the Chinese empire (success) implied later
failure due to lack of dynamism.
__
CB: This is consistent with the "law" of evoluti
>I've been browsing through Lexis-Nexis this afternoon on and off trying to
>get a handle on Diamond. It appears that his theory lends itself to rather
>clearcut differences between let's say the British settlers and the
>aborigines of Australia and why one group conquered another. However, it
Charles Brown wrote:
> __
>
> CB: Does this contradict what I said ? Humans have a higher degree of tool
> development than animals before the "master/slave" relationship develops.
> Hunters and gatherers have much higher tool development than animals.
> __
I don't know. It dep
My friend (whose opinion I trust on just about everything) had this to say
about the book:
Yes, I've actually read the whole book. It's okay in some ways, but his
geographical determinism tends to undercut his avowed anti-racist
stance--notions of chance (contingency) get lost, so Diamond winds
> > Because, he would say, that region is not Africa, that is, Black
>> Africa.
>>
>> __
>>
>> CB: What does being BLACK Africa have to do with "ecological/geographical
> conditions" ? Sounds like Diamond has an inconsistent and racist theory.
>
>Simply saying that one can, as Diamo
>The following is an article published in
>Oromia Quarterly Volume II Number 4 & Volume III Number 1 July-December
>1999.
>Regards,
>Thomas
>The Political Aspects of Development
>Problems: The Oromia Case
>Temesgen Muleta- Erena
>Introduction
The political rigor that tendered Oromia's his
You wrote:
Also, it's so grand in its ambition
> that historically specific moments come off looking merely like
> manifestations of general, immutable laws. So much for agency,
> responsibility, and finally politics, or the notion that anything could
> have been (could be) different.
It has a
>
>
> Subject: Edward Said : Law and order
> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:48:14 +
> From: MENA Info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Law an
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