Vandana Shiva on Poverty & Globalization (how did the wells go dry?),environment, III (fwd)

2000-05-29 Thread md7148
> >http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/events/reith%5F2000/lecture5.s tm > > >> BBC REITH LECTURE: POVERTY AND GLOBALISATION > <>snip> VANDANA SHIVA > >> Recently, I was visiting Bhatinda in Punjab because of an epidemic of > farmer suicides. Punjab us

RE: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Max Sawicky
Jim Devine wrote: > Oh goody! I've always admired magazines like COSMO with their constant > barrage of quizzes ("Are You Giving Your Man All that He Wants?"). Luckily, MBS has provided us with a "Are You a Left-Wing-Left-Wing Communist?" quiz. CC: Since I would need sliga wire to separate Jim's

A more positive note

2000-05-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I want to add a footnote to my last post so that it does not seem to sour. When I have asked people for pen-l for information, people have always been very responsive. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Getting pen-l back on track

2000-05-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I have been thinking about the recent state of pen-l. We are getting a lot of long posts without much context, sectarian posts, and very little that has to do with economics. I don’t want to see the list become a purely academic exercise, but I think that there is a need for a venue to discuss t

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gore or Dubya?

2000-05-29 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 5/27/00 10:57:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Was it Justice Black who was in the KKK but turned out to be a stalwart liberal, especially on civil rights? >> Yes. Though he was appointed as a progressive populist type, which he was in the Senate,

Re: Re: Re: Dialectical materialism andecology

2000-05-29 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 5/27/00 12:47:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Anyway, I think 'Thaxis' is her coinage, and was meant in those days to appeal to people more inclined to abstract theoretical discussions. >> Actualy, you may be right. Ralph and I pushed it, though.

Re: Re: Re: Dialectical materialism andecology

2000-05-29 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 5/26/00 6:02:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << "Thaxis" was neologized by somebody (don't remember who) involved with what was once called the marxism-2 list. >> It was me and Ralph Dumain. --jks

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dialectical materialism and ecology

2000-05-29 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 5/26/00 3:15:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << No relation to Thurn und Thaxis, or whatever that thing from Pynchon's Lot 49 is. >> If Pynchon is right, everything is related to Thurn und Thaxis. But as a founder of Thaxis, I think I may have sugges

Neo-Imperialism: Re: us, china & environment (fwd)

2000-05-29 Thread md7148
On population, modernization and enviromentalism: >The problem with the formula is that if overemphasizes population. This is because people like Ehrlich believe people are a cancer. It is true that higher levels of technological development under capitalism, because of the emphasis on consump

Dialectical materialism and historicalmaterialism (fwd)

2000-05-29 Thread md7148
Charles, ops, I disregarded the part where you said "unlike art".. again, in my view, this text (Pol Eco) was misinterpreted by vulgar materialists and non-political marxists a lot. I am not quite sure if MArx really intended that "economics can be done with the exact precision of natural scienc

HES: ANN -- Value Theory Since Marx (June 2000) (fwd)

2000-05-29 Thread md7148
> INTERNATIONAL WORKING GROUP ON VALUE THEORY HISTORICAL MATERIALISM CAPITAL AND CLASS FORUM ON DEBATES IN THE THEORY OF VALUE SINCE MARX T

Re: Re: Dialectics and Nonlinear Dynamics

2000-05-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Barkley, maybe you could spell out what you mean here? > My earlier arguments had more to do with continuous > changes in market structure leading to discontinuous > changes in market outcomes, actually an old chestnut of > the IO literature that goes all the way back to Joe S. Bain, > "Rel

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Interesting exchange between Carrol, and MBS about Eitc, and the RAL as MBS puts those things. Max Sawicky writes, All these questions become a kind of political dynamite when the next recession comes along -- when the myth that welfare is the cause of unemployment is

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: > Oh goody! I've always admired magazines like COSMO with their constant > barrage of quizzes ("Are You Giving Your Man All that He Wants?"). Luckily, > MBS has provided us with a "Are You a Left-Wing-Left-Wing Communist?" quiz. Since I would need sliga wire to separate Jim'

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
Oh goody! I've always admired magazines like COSMO with their constant barrage of quizzes ("Are You Giving Your Man All that He Wants?"). Luckily, MBS has provided us with a "Are You a Left-Wing-Left-Wing Communist?" quiz. >Some of these [characteristics of left-wing-left-wing communism] would

Re: Re: Re: Re: Dialectics and Nonlinear Dynamics

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, My earlier arguments had more to do with continuous changes in market structure leading to discontinuous changes in market outcomes, actually an old chestnut of the IO literature that goes all the way back to Joe S. Bain, "Relation of Profit Rate to Industry Concentration, American Manuf

Re: Re: Re: voting with the feet

2000-05-29 Thread Michael Perelman
You might mention in addition to water, especially when many of the large landholders have been able to get subsidized irrigation. "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: > Jim, > I am aware of at least three things that have gone > against the ejidos. One is the point that you made > regarding

Re: Re: Re: Dialectics and Nonlinear Dynamics

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: >BTW, my original foray on that one was in "The Emergence of the >Megacorpstate and the Acceleration of Global Inflation," Journal of Post >Keynesian Economics, Spring 1981, vol. 3, no. 3, pp. 429-439. Actually >this was another case of having trouble getting a paper published.

Re: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, I think you should go whole hog and have three "left-wings" on there. Joan Robinson used to write about the "neo-neo-classical production function." I once wrote a paper on the "neo-neo-neo-classical production function," but never could get the damned thing published. I still have i

RE: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Max Sawicky
Max Sawicky wrote: > It encourages ultimatism and > left-wing-left-wing communism. CC: One learns new isms all the time. Incidentally what is the difference between left-wing communism and left-wing-left-wing communism? [mbs] the same as the difference between overdone and burnt to a cinder. C

Re: Re: Whitehead on Dialectics and Mathematics

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Ted, In my paper that Chris Burford has just discussed I addressed this matter of math and dialectics and noted that it can be argued that math cannot be used because one is dealing with, so to speak, the emergence of new variables, not their discontinuous change. What about the kinds

Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:38 PM 05/29/2000 -0700, you wrote: >JD: . . . >(BTW, I can't believe that I awakened MBS's ire so much when I asserted >that "the earned income credit (unlike classic income-support measures) >make workers more dependent on their employers' good wishes, i.e., hardly >helps their bargainin

Re: Re: Dialectics and Nonlinear Dynamics

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Mark, Chapter 2 of my 1991 book ends with a catastrophe theoretic discussion of the oil industry. It is retained in the forthcoming second edition. It is not surprising that this industry is given to sudden large changes in price. BTW, my original foray on that one was in "The Emerg

Re: Dialectics and Nonlinear Dynamics

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Chris, Thank you for the very thoughtful (and sympathetic, :-)) response. There is much here, but I'll try to respond to more controversial or unclear points. I am acquainted with the Farjoun and Machover book and cited it in my 1991 book (volume I, second edn. due out from Kluwer on

Re: Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Joel Blau
Although the insistence on work for those on welfare blurs the line a bit, the working poor (EITC) continue to be treated better than those on welfare. TANF recipients are subjected to constant harassment to demonstrate their need; EITC have tax forms to fill out, but face no comparable harassme

Re: Alfred Russel Wallace

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:59 AM 05/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: >And on inspection, what with >hindsight appears to be the most quixotic of all [Alfred Russel >Wallace's]enthusiasms, his campaign against smallpox vaccination, is also >surprisingly rational. He objected to the statistics used by the medical >professio

Re: What do we mean by "worth"

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
>The use of money is the purest act of faith; no anchorite who has followed >a vision into the desert has acted on an idea as far-fetched as our belief >that if we put a dollar in a machine we will be drinking a Diet Coke in a >minute. This act of faith is hardly pure; it's based in practical

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gore or Dubya?

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
And Harry Blackmun, author of Roe v. Wade, was appointed by Nixon. The most liberal member of the current court is probably Stevens, appointed by Gerald Ford, I believe. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> D

Re: RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Max Sawicky wrote: > It encourages ultimatism and > left-wing-left-wing communism. One learns new isms all the time. Incidentally what is the difference between left-wing communism and left-wing-left-wing communism? The usual defining feature of ultra-leftism is a refusal to work with "bourg

Re: Re: voting with the feet

2000-05-29 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jim, I am aware of at least three things that have gone against the ejidos. One is the point that you made regarding lack of credits, which should also be expanded to a lack of technical assistance. This was a key to the higher productivity of the green revolution rancheros in northern Mex

RE: Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Max Sawicky
JD: . . . (BTW, I can't believe that I awakened MBS's ire so much when I asserted that "the earned income credit (unlike classic income-support measures) make workers more dependent on their employers' good wishes, i.e., hardly helps their bargaining power." This is hardly a radical statement.)

Re: JD on EITC (Was Krugman Watch)

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
At 04:54 PM 05/28/2000 -0700, you wrote: >JD: >The EITC is works through the IRS [internal revenue service], an >organization which scares most people to death, especially now that the >IRS has decided to pump that cash-cow, the poor. Humor aside, it's >traditional to help the poor in the most

no comment

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
from SLATE'S survey of what's in US magazines: Harper's, June 2000 An essay by Tom Wolfe decries the political correctness foisted on us by "Rococo Marxists" such as Judith Butler and Stanley Fish. Since World War I American intellectuals have been telling Americans their society is cancerou

A Dismal Decade Ahead for Stocks?

2000-05-29 Thread Michael Hoover
forwarded by Michael Hoover A Dismal Decade Ahead for Stocks? TOM PETRUNO 05/28/00 LATIMES.COM Robert Shiller's dream is everyone else's nightmare. Here's what Shiller, a Yale University economist, believes the

Rogue States

2000-05-29 Thread Max Sawicky
In regard to the North Korea palaver, there is what I think is an important article in the Post today that ventilates elite criticism of the 'rogue state' concept, which concept is used to rationalize the funding of anti-missile defense systems. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14527-20

Krugman Watch: social security

2000-05-29 Thread Jim Devine
May 28, 2000 / New York TIMES RECKONINGS / By PAUL KRUGMAN Money for Nothing? I have a lot of time today, but I don't need it, since I have no real comment on PK's column criticizing the idea of putting social security funds into the stock market. He's right to criticize Geo

What do we mean by "worth"

2000-05-29 Thread Louis Proyect
New York Times, May 29, 2000 We Are All Spendthrifts Now By MARY GORDON It has become increasingly difficult to read a newspaper or magazine without encountering the details of extravagant, conspicuous consumption, usually on the part of new millionaires, or billionaires, usually under 30. Stor