G'day Mine,
I have not seen among game theorists any Marxists, any socialists with a
progressive agenda. Show me one? The ones who have applied a
rational-choice brand of game theory to Marxism (Elster, Perzeworski,
Roemer, Wright) have moved away from Marxism in their attemps to build
This morning 58 "oriental" people have been found dead in a sealed
container on a lorry at Dover, after crossing the English Channel.
This is one of the costs of an increasingly mobile global market in labour
power, coupled with growing disparities in different parts of the world in
the rate
I have been on pen-l now for 8 years. Calling people racists on this list
is infantile to say the least. Storm in a tea cup I hope:)
Cheers, Anthony
xxx
Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor
Comparative
then you should follow the list closely, Micheal, as a
moderator. If people have done implicitly racist comments in the past,
they should be reminded not to repeat the same mistake again! If you think
there is no such a comment, then you should go and read the archieves of
the list, which is
Jim D says:
Someone already pointed out that GT need not involve individualism
or profit-maximizing or egoism. One can apply altruism in making
decisions in the game.
Isn't altruism a dialectical twin of individualism? The concept of
"altruism" emerged in the English language in the
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It is clear that our
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You are walking a thin line. I have not had to boot anybody for many months.
This sort of language is not acceptable here.
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then you should follow the list closely, Micheal, as a
moderator. If people have done implicitly racist comments in the past,
they should be
At 11:28 PM 06/18/2000 -0400, you wrote:
GT is methodologically on the right. Period. The reason for this is
that the attention to micro foundations through rational choice, game
theoric models and formal modeling of neo-classical economics have tended
to obscure the importance of
What's happening on this thread is a microcosm of what generally happens
in 'science'. Nobody posting appears to have read anything by
Rabin. Everyone has an opinion/prejudice on some general issue related to
the fields Rabin is known to be investigating -- game theory, psychology
etc. Whatever
Some people liken the "left" or Marxism to a religion. Thus, if we want the
"left" to grow, maybe we should require the wearing of special beanies or
the use of obscure jargon?
We don't already?
I looked at one Rabin article in preparing my book, Class Warfare in the
Information Age. I did not find it particularly useful, but it was
nothing to get worked up about. As I mentioned before, Game Theory has
not yet yielded any profound insights that I know of, although it was
credited with
Jim Devine wrote:
BTW, who is the MacArthur foundation (that gave Rabin his grant)? is
it related to the late General MacArthur, who helped create the
modern Japanese economic powerhouse (via land reform)? where do they
get their money from? what criteria does the foundation apply in
Well, there is a hell of a lot of stuff attacking rational choice models generall. In
polisci--Mine is in polisci, no?--there is a book called Pathologies of Rational
Choice theory that raised quite a flap a few years ago. In psychology, Kahnemann and
Tversky (see, e.g., Judgment Under
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I say zero tolerance
for racist use of language!
Zero tolerance? I love it when Marxists try to sound like Rudy Giuliani.
Doug
Brad De Long wrote: Why don't you go read something Matthew Rabin
has written?
actually, Brad, could you do us a favor? could you please give us
summaries of your two favorite articles by Rabin? what did these
articles contribute? The summaries don't have to be long. 25 words
or less.
I
The PD generates the players' second worst outcome, not the worst one. The worst is
generated byL I cooperate, you defect. --jks
In a message dated Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:38:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe Michael Ellman, in his book on Socialist Planning some
Well, just to take the things Matt Rabin has written recently that
are on my desk...
"Inference by Believers in the Law of Small Numbers,"
Many people believe in the "Law of Small Numbers," exaggerating the
degree to which a small sample resembles the population from which it
is drawn.
G'day Mine,
G'day...
I wrote:
Altruism has a pragmatic connotation in cooperative game theory. You give
in order to receive. As Richard Dawkins wrote in _Selfish Gene_, the book
that is a prototype of fascism and sexism, men compete to fuck women in
order to transfer their superior genes to
Brad De Long wrote:
"Inference by Believers in the Law of Small Numbers,"
Many people believe in the "Law of Small Numbers," exaggerating the
degree to which a small sample resembles the population from which
it is drawn. To model this, I assume that a person exaggerates the
likelihood that
Mine quotes Dawkins:
"Each individual wants as many surviving children as possible"
Nowadays, very few men and fewer still women "want" as many surviving
children as possible. And that's why Dawkins needs to construct
humans as if we were merely vehicles for thinking desiring genes:
Justin wrote:
The PD generates the players' second worst outcome, not the worst one. The
worst is generated by I cooperate, you defect. --jks
Justin, I hope you don't mind that I edited what you said here, dropping
the extraneous "L."
What the "worst outcome" is depends on your perspective.
Brad De Long wrote:
Well, just to take the things Matt Rabin has written recently that
are on my desk...
(snip)
"Psychology and Economics"
Because psychology systematically explores human judgment, behavior,
and well- being, it can teach us important facts about how humans
differ
I wrote:
Someone already pointed out that GT need not involve individualism or
profit-maximizing or egoism. One can apply altruism in making decisions
in the game.
Yoshie writes:
Isn't altruism a dialectical twin of individualism? The concept of
"altruism" emerged in the English language in
Gene wrote:
It seems to me that "standard economics" assumes that individual
preferences are just that -- not influenced by what others are doing,
and further assumes that preferences are fully reversible in time.
Without those assumptions NC economics stands in thin air. In other
words, close
If that were the purpose of the McArthur grant, then George Akerlof of Berkeley
would have won. He is not particularly leftist, but he does browse in the
fields of anthro., sociology, and cognitive psychology.
What other economists have won the grants? Heidi Hartman and Michael Kremer
are
The demotic prose in question is in chapter one of every introductory
probability and statistics text ever written. It's the prediction of the
model that astounds me -- "that people may pay for financial advice from
'experts' whose expertise is entirely illusory." I'm getting right to work
on a
the more I think about Dawkins (or at least about what people, including SJ
Gould, say about his views), the more it reminds me of Wilhelm Reich. Reich
started trying to merge Freudian psychoanalysis with Marxian political
economy, but as his book THE FUNCTION OF THE ORGASM shows, he became
... Once the basic building blocks were put in place for a self-sustaining
Marxism movement, no other working-class leaders ever depended on this
kind of funding. It all came from the dues of party members. Our problem
today is that academic Marxism has pre-empted the space that once was
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Rob:
Marx was funded by a combination of a bourgeois friend's generosity, his
aristocratic wife's legacy, publishers' advances and some payments from
bourgeois newspaper editors - he even played the stock market for a while.
So funding sources are not always decisive determinants of, er, output.
And Veblen knew it and said it 100 years ago. Check the Preconceptions of
Economic Science. Conveniently available at my web site.
http://socserv2.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/veblen/index.html
Rod
Jim Devine wrote:
In an earlier incarnation, if I remember correctly, Herb Gintis showed that
The value of game theory as with any other formal system of logic is that
it imposes a discipline on thinking. If one is competent, using the
system assures that the conclusions follow from the premises. The system
it self has no content.
Granted, there are those who practice what Schumpeter
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Rob, as the author himself said in many occasions, the main purpose of
Dawkin's book is to reject Marx's dialectic and instead to introduce the
_primacy_ of genes in determining human behavoir. In other words, Dawkins
is not saying the things you would like to attribute to him-- ie.,
evolution
However, I add that since I have limited time (especially because I waste
so much of it on pen-l),
Dawkins might say you're wasting it, Jim, but you shouldn't! A lefty'd have
to weigh the social benefit arising from the private opportunity cost.
You're avoiding the worst outcome, Jim!
Come
Timework Web wrote:
The demotic prose in question is in chapter one of every introductory
probability and statistics text ever written. It's the prediction of the
model that astounds me -- "that people may pay for financial advice from
'experts' whose expertise is entirely illusory." I'm getting
Rod Hay wrote:
Using the language of game theory also has a secondary benefit. It has a
rhetorical aspect. Economists will read it.
This is a benefit?
Doug
Louis Proyect wrote:
This came up on another forum in the context of the Nader candidacy. After
I pointed out that Nader's funding model precludes accountability, a rabid
Nader defender shot back that Marx was funded in the same manner, alluding
to his legacy, etc.
This misses the point.
If it
Marx was mainly a thinker and writer; Nader's a political figure and
organizer. Marx really didn't have to be accountable to anyone, but
Nader's organizations presume to represent the interest of "citizens"
and "consumers."
Doug
This is not an accurate portrayal of Marx. He was almost
Louis Proyect wrote:
This is not an accurate portrayal of Marx. He was almost continuously
involved with trying to organize the socialist movement.
I know all this. But the issue is the relevance of any comparison of
Marx and Nader. If Marx had only been an activist, we wouldn't have
any idea
Will Dawkins move on to physics in response to his critics? Maybe he could
develop the concept of econe energy, the physical form of possessive
individualism.
Didn't Dawkins develop the concept of the "meme," a unit of culture
analogous to a gene?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know all this. But the issue is the relevance of any comparison of
Marx and Nader. If Marx had only been an activist, we wouldn't have
any idea who he was; his legacy is as a political philosopher. Nader
isn't much of a writer, and will be remembered mainly, if at all, as
an organizer and
For this you need game theory and a formal model? Is there anything
here that couldn't be conveyed in three or four sentences of demotic
prose?
Doug
I actually believe that model-building is useful. You can make lots
of arguments in three or four sentences of demotic prose (or three or
four
*You* *definetly* ARE with your energetic support for socio-biology and
praising people like Wilson who called Ruandan people barbaric creatures
and genetically ill people!
Mine
E.O. Wilson called Rwandans "genetically ill"? Citation please.
That's not like him.
And if you object to labeling
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But
I tend to agree with Michael H. on this one. I have never found much of use in
Dawkins. Even the strictly scientific stuff is shallow and wrong.
On the other hand, Rob has a point if he refers to genetics, rather than to
Dawkins. Genetics is part of what we are. So long as we remember that we
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I say zero tolerance
for racist use of language!
Zero tolerance? I love it when Marxists try to sound like Rudy Giuliani.
Doug
himm??? Are you confusing me with someonelse?
Mine
GT is methodologically on the right. Period. The reason for this is
that the attention to micro foundations through rational choice, game
theoric models and formal modeling of neo-classical economics have
tended to obscure the importance of relations of production and the
exploitative
Jim Devine says:
As far as I am concerned, you can have any opinion of me that you want.
But
the fact that you're stooping to calling me names says that this
conversation is over. This is my last contribution to this thread.
Mine responds:
yuppie!
Mine, is what it has come down to? It's way
I guess I've got to respond to this message because Mine dug up (spurious)
"evidence" to show that I said that third world people were irrational.
However, I doubt that anyone has to read this message except Mine.
Mine wrote:
GT is methodologically on the right. Period. The reason for
Jim and others, Mine seems to have backed off. I, for one am grateful. So, I
think that we can let this drop. At least I hope so.
Jim Devine wrote:
I guess I've got to respond to this message because Mine dug up (spurious)
"evidence" to show that I said that third world people were
Brad De Long made an interesting point about new Keynesian theory in the
winter issue of The Journal of Economic Perspectives -- showing the
similarities between Milton Friedman's ideas and their own. Does
anyone, including Brad, have any comments on his idea?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
Title: Re: [PEN-L:20421] Brad De Long on New Keynesian
Theory
Brad De Long made an interesting point
about new Keynesian theory in the
winter issue of The Journal of Economic Perspectives -- showing
the
similarities between Milton Friedman's ideas and their own.
Does
anyone, including Brad, have
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PETTY TO THE MAX
BY C. CARR
Feds Throw the book at Mumia Protesters
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They were found guilty of petty offenses, charges way too minor to warrant
a jury trial. And now, as punishment for
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