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el 26 Sep 00, a las 23:14, Doug Henwood dijo:
Carrol Cox wrote:
According to Doug (answering a question at the marxism 2000 plenary
he spoke at) the economics profession is intellectually and morally
bankrupt.
Yeah, I
This analysis in part treats certain important commodities in simple exchange or
quasi- barter relation as a way of estimating current Values.
CB
[from Policy Pete, http://qv3.com/PolicyPete/policypete.htm ]
It is common these days to run into the argument that the current oil
and gas price
You had mentioned Locke. Marx references him in the footnote 4 below. The footnote 3
below mentions "intrinsick vertue" sort of like your intrinsically valuable.
Also, with respect to the apple or the sunset you mention, Marx says in second para of
_Capital_
"A commodity is, in the first
Justin:
You're kidding right? There is no question who has the higher level of
schilarship. Brenner is one of the major historians of our time. Blaut is
just another professor. He might be right, but he can't touch Brenner for
scholarship.
Actually, Jim Blaut is not just another professor.
How to determine whether someone is one the major historians: There is a book called
The Brenner Debate, with articles and responses discussing B's thesis about the rise
of capitalism. If the people in your field name a major debate after you, such that it
can be referred to by just your name,
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2000
Of part timers, 11 percent had medical benefits and 8 percent had dental
care in 1996 and 1997, says the Bureau of Labor Statistics (Wall Street
Journal, item in "Workweek" feature, page A1).
Many workers and retirees who depend on
Justin wrote:
"How to determine whether someone is one the major historians: There is a
book called The Brenner Debate, with articles and responses discussing B's
thesis about the rise of capitalism. If the people in your field name a
major debate after you, such that it can be referred to by
I don't think that Justin's test should be accepted uncritically. Weren't there
debates about the Bell Curve? His test might have been somewhat valid in the past --
perhaps even in the time of the Brenner Debate -- but now with big $$$ promoting hacks
.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How
Louis, this is unworthy. Brenner like Faurisson? If I didn't know you better, I'd say
you were a fool. As it is, the remark approaches legal defamation. Need I point out
that being refuted by being taken seriously is indeed the sign og major scholarship,
while being refuted by being trashed as
At 11:32 AM 9/27/00 EDT, you wrote:
Louis, this is unworthy. Brenner like Faurisson? If I didn't know you
better, I'd say you were a fool. As it is, the remark approaches legal
defamation. Need I point out that being refuted by being taken seriously is
indeed the sign og major scholarship, while
Not to pass judgment on the specific entities in question, but to note a
problem in the logic of the argument, what about Charles Murray? Richard
Herrnstein? These major scholars were in some circles ridiculed, called
creeps and liars. But in other circles, their theses have been taken very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/26/00 12:01PM
A question for our more excitable contributors: is an ordinary
business cycle recession a "crisis"?
CB: I forgot to ask, "crisis for whom ?
I wrote:
Brenner clearly went out on a limb to attack the D-of-U school. And
Blaut attacks back, also going out on a limb. I won't say which of these
two has higher levels of scholarship. It seems to me that both "bend the
stick" a little too far in an effort to make it straight (i.e., the
might this be a dirty trick, i.e., an undercover effort by the Gore
campaign to undermine its competition on the left?
This post constitutes proof positive that Chico is in the forefront of
politics, despite all the news from Prague.
dna wrote:
If you would lke to join the Nudist for
Louis writes:
Yeah, there's a new Brenner debate goin' on as well. Mostly people
refuting his NLR article on the imminent collapse of capitalism, just as
they refuted his earlier articles claiming some kind of privileged status
for the rise of capitalism in Great Britain.
Brenner didn't claim
I wrote:
Locke's labor theory is a theory of property, BTW. That is, it's a
(poor) theory of why some people have property and some people have more
than others in society. Every few years I try to convince people to
change the name of Marx's "labor theory of value" to his "labor theory of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/25/00 10:46PM
In a message dated 9/25/00 4:11:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
CB: But "value" and "exchange-value" are not quite exactly the same thing
?
This has probably been answered, but no. Value is socially necessay abstract
labor time
This thread has drifted away a bit from the signs to the portent.
Some signs:
today's paper says that 13 major cities are in danger of overbuilding
commercial real estate.
today's paper says that for PGE and So. Calif. Edison, two of the
largest corporations in the world, the deficits from
No, not a dirty trick, opposition research. They want to test their worst fears
-- are Nader supporters without supporters bigger than Gore supporters wearing
suspenders -- in the British usage.
Gene Coyle
Jim Devine wrote:
might this be a dirty trick, i.e., an undercover effort by the Gore
I find this a little odd. The U.S. economy has its longest expansion
ever, with many strange features that scream out for analysis (how'd
it happen along with a fiscal tightening - shouldn't Keynesians be
talking about this?; the alleged productivity boom, which accelerated
late in the cycle;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/27/00 02:24PM
I find this a little odd. The U.S. economy has its longest expansion
ever, with many strange features that scream out for analysis (how'd
it happen along with a fiscal tightening - shouldn't Keynesians be
talking about this?; the alleged productivity
OK, maybe there is something wrong with the Big Name structure of academia: I wouldn't
dispute that. Part of my point is that Brenner is a Big Name. Not all Big Names are
any good: I know lots who aren't. But Brenner is a Big Name who is first rate. part of
the way you can tell this is that he
I thought my conclusion was obvious, so that I didn't have to say it. Maybe
I'd choose Brenner over Blaut on one specific issue (say, the
underdevelopment issue). But I'd never rank them in general terms. Maybe
one is right about one issue, but the other is right about another. More
likely,
I have an additional point: one can't rank different people in terms of
"scholarship," since there are different kinds of scholarship for different
purposes. Someone who's trying to argue for a very specific point of
history will mobilize all sorts of primary sources. On the other hand,
I think that Doug's questions are excellent.
The coexistence of low unemployment and low inflation seems to have its
roots in the control of the labor force through access to cheap labor
abroad and cheap imports. I'm not sure about the extent of the
productivity boom, but it may play a role.
Jim Devine wrote:
I have an additional point: one can't rank different people in terms of
"scholarship," since there are different kinds of scholarship for different
purposes. Someone who's trying to argue for a very specific point of
history will mobilize all sorts of primary sources. On
Jim, the nudists were not for Gore. I know them -- at least with their
clothes on. They represented one of the few humorous notes in the stupid
election cycle.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm at the same school. Yes, a heavy teaching load and an underfunded library,
but, please, we're not "stuck"...
Peter
Carrol Cox wrote:
Stephanie Coontz, stuck in a school with a heavy teaching load and an
inadequate research library
Today the Venezuelan oil minister has threatened that OPEC will reverse a
decision to increase production if Europe releases oil reserves.
VVenzuela may be overplaying its hand but this may also be a sign of a
shift in power relations.
The end result will be complex and is most likely to end
" The annual meetings of the World Bank and International Monetary fund
have ended a day early after police clashed with thousands of protesters.
Officials said they hoped that despite the protests the message from the
Prague conference would be one of "reform and dialogue."
They insisted
Michael P. wrote:
I think that Doug's questions are excellent.
The coexistence of low unemployment and low inflation seems to have its
roots in the control of the labor force through access to cheap labor
abroad and cheap imports. I'm not sure about the extent of the
productivity boom, but
So although the militancy of the Venezuelans is very welcome, we need to
consider what the end result is likely to be.
Chris Burford
I know the answer to that. CIA plots to overthrow Chavez.
Louis Proyect
Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/
I'm going to risk an idea on Doug's questions, with all humility.
I think the pathetically slow pace of the recovery in the early '90s
played a role. It seemed pretty clear that the economy had turned up, yet
it wasn't growing much and wasn't doing anything for unemployment. At the
same
[apropos, Thurow on the stock market; full article @
http://www.crn.com/sections/news/top_news.asp?RSID=CRNArticleID=20154#RESTO
FSTORY
CRN_ The tech sector is only 8 percent of GNP but plays a much larger role
in the stock market. How much of a danger is that to the economy, especially
if
[full article http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/THU/FIN/cartel.2.html ]
Paris, Thursday, September 28, 2000
EU Proposes Broad Overhaul of Competition Oversight
By Barry James International Herald Tribune
BRUSSELS - That dawn knock on the door in the future may not be the local
police but a man
[full article http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/THU/FIN/netprice.2.html ]
Paris, Thursday, September 28, 2000
Web Asks, How Much Can You Pay?
Retailers' Experiments With Variable Pricing Ignite Consumer Wrath
By David Streitfeld Washington Post Service
WASHINGTON - Few things stir up a consumer
Someone recently posted an article from the Wall Street Journal, I believe, to
the effect that if unemployment has declined so little over such a long
expansion, it would be sure to skyrocket with an economic slowdown.
Eugene Coyle wrote:
I'm going to risk an idea on Doug's questions, with all
Jim, how important is the exchange rate for imports? I suspect that it is a
major influence on exports since U.S. goods compete directly with those from
other similar countries. We have our largest trade imbalance with China.
Chinese wages are so low that an increase in the relative costs would
NY Times, September 27, 2000
U.S. Seeks Millions in Suit Against Advisers to Russia
By CAREY GOLDBERG
BOSTON, Sept. 26 - Federal prosecutors today filed a civil suit contending
that two Harvard University advisers who helped mold Russia's economic
reforms in the mid-1990's misused their
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