Re: Re: WTO stats.

2000-12-18 Thread Jeffrey L. Beatty
At 02:38 PM 12/17/00 -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: >I never thought about the proliferation of antidumping/countervailing duty >measures in the way the article set it out. I realize that the U.S. was >throwing its weight around with anti-dumping measures, but that they >become questionable once

Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Jeffrey L. Beatty
Let me first make it clear that I do not identify with the Marxist left. Nor am I a democratic socialist or even a very good social democrat--although I might make it in the milktoasty Tony Blair version of the British Labour Party. I'm basically a plain old Bill Clinton Democrat, influenced in m

Re: Japanese infrastructure question again

2000-12-18 Thread ProfTabb
michael, the reason the japanese spend so much on infrastructural projects, mostly wasted money, bridges to underpopulated islands and so on is that the construction industry is a major contributor to the liberal democratic party (which is not liberal or democratic or really a party but a coali

Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:01 AM 12/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >I'm basically a plain old Bill Clinton Democrat, I won't ask about the Lincoln Bedroom. ;-) >At 06:01 PM 12/14/00 -0800, David Shemano wrote: > >2. To the extent that your criticisms of capitalism are primarily > political-social (e.g. capitalism

Gene Coyle having an out of body experience

2000-12-18 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray

Re: Re: Japanese infrastructure question again

2000-12-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Thanks, Bill. I realize that the LDP is corrupt and to a large extent rural based. Do you think that most of the investment is really wasted and unproductive? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > michael, > the reason the japanese spend so much on infrastructural projects, mostly > wasted money, bridges

ASSA sessions

2000-12-18 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Those going to New Orleans may be interested in the following sessions, that do not fall under the URPE banner. The first includes Michael Perelman. The second includes Rhonda Williams, who many of you know has passed away recently. The session will be dedicated to her memory. Mat -

RE: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
> > Strictly speaking the socialists drew upon Rousseau's notion of > "perfectabilité," (which the translator, Roger D. Masters, says > means "the > capacity to make progress" in J-J Rousseau, THE SOCIAL CONTRACT AND > DISCOURSE ON THE ORIGIN OF INEQUALITY, Lester Crocker, ed. Washington > Square

Re: RE: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Jim Devine
Ian wrote: >Just because Kant and his groupies called it the Enlightenment we 21st >centurions have to blindly follow his historico-taxonomical rot? What >Enlightenment? To paraphrase Snoopy, "acutally existing civilization is >overrated"! At least you knew what I was referring to, which was the

Re: Re: Re: Japanese infrastructure question again

2000-12-18 Thread Anthony DCosta
Let us not use the term "corrupt" in a loose way. Political parties by nature are corrupt if there are various limits to how they raise funding for an election process that is geared toward maximizing one vote-one person formula (of course I can't say that was Bush's strategy:). Further asymmetr

Re: Question for the Lefties -- II (Max's market question)

2000-12-18 Thread charlie
Max Sawicky wrote: > Is there any other person on this list who has espoused market economics? Doug is the only one of you who has evinced anything but utter, total, absolute, nauseated rejection, Hey I'm still here. < Yes, I espouse market economics -- without the profit motive, either capit

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
> At least you knew what I was referring to, which was the point of > using the > term. I don't think it's worth spending a lot of energy arguing about the > meanings of words, since they are usually pretty arbitrary and > conventional. > > Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.ed

Re: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Justin Schwartz
> >I appreciate your antagonism to the Austrian school. I'll get out my silver >bullets and my stake. The cult of H*yek & Mises (which I guess is backed up >by the There Is No Alternative political movement of Thatcher and Reagan)!! >Recently I had a discussion with a follower of H*yek who e

Re: Question for the Lefties -- II (Max's marketquestion)

2000-12-18 Thread Charles Brown
< >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/00 02:21PM >>> Yes, I espouse market economics -- without the profit motive, either capitalist or market socialist. Society can retain sites of activity (firms) that are a source of initiative. They must face the test of selling their products and services -- a marke

Snow storm in Detroit

2000-12-18 Thread Charles Brown
Financial Times December 13, 2000 A chill wind blows from Detroit US car manufacturers are responding to a decline in demand by restructuring, says Tim Burt When the leaders of the world's largest carmakers meet in Detroit next month, the mood at the annual North American automobile show is lik

Re: Singing to Tractors (was Re: O Happy Day)

2000-12-18 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/15/00 05:24PM >>> >CB: In general I agree with movement to resolve the ancient >antagonism between predominantly mental and predominantly physical >labor. > >There is some issue of "workerism" , romanticising physical labor by >some radicals. > >However, not touched h

language

2000-12-18 Thread Jim Devine
[was: Re: [PEN-L:6360] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II] I wrote: > > At least you knew what I was referring to, which was the point of using > the term. I don't think it's worth spending a lot of energy arguing about > the meanings of words, since they are usually pretty arbi

EPI at ASSA

2000-12-18 Thread Max Sawicky
THE ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE RECEPTION AT THE ALLIED SOCIAL SCIENCE ASSOCIATIONS 2001 ANNUAL MEETINGS BEING HELD AT THE HILTON NEW ORLEANS RIVERSIDE POYDRAS AT THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER ON SATURDAY, JANUARY 6, 2001 IN THE ELMWOOD ROOM 5:30P.M. – 7:30P.M. The Economic Policy Institute is a no

Re: Re: Re: Japanese infrastructure question again

2000-12-18 Thread ProfTabb
Michael, on japanese inflastructure yes i think it is a central part of the structural corruption which rewards not only particular ldp districts but more importantly is a source of funds for the party in kickbacks from the construction industry, a very important source of their funding. the ti

A New Pen-l Project

2000-12-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I was thinking that we could make a list of the numerous theories that purported to explain the rise and fall of economic activity (and the rate of growth of productivity) over the years. I thought we could consider how they come and go from time to time in how well they stack up in retrospect.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Lisa & Ian Murray wrote: > Does this mean we shouldn't quibble about the meaning[s] of democracy and "The Enlightenment" and "democracy" pose radically different questions. As Jim says, there really is no special argument over the reference of the former; the question you raise is not over the

RE: language

2000-12-18 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
JD >>I think it's quite possible to simply define "democracy" as we think is most appropriate (which isn't that different from the official rhetorical definition, i.e., government for, by, and of the people) and then point out how the reality of our government doesn't live up to that definiti

Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread David Shemano
Refocusing my questions: 1. I understand that Marx defines "economics" as a broad category. However, within that general category, Marx analyzes the mechanics of the existing free market/private property system and comes to certain conclusions, such as it includes inherent contradictions th

RE: A New Pen-l Project

2000-12-18 Thread David Shemano
Michael -- Supply-side is very much alive -- Robert Mundell recently won the Nobel prize, for goodness sake!George Gilder is the guru of the internet. Lawrence Lindsey, Bush's top economic advisor, is a supply-sider. Personally, I am a big-fan of supply-side theory, and if I don't get a big t

Re: Gene Coyle having an out of body experience

2000-12-18 Thread Eugene Coyle
Most of my experiences are out-of-body. The whirling disk shows up in the yard, and the next thing I know I'm on a lovely tropical island surrounded by Supply-siders. But I don't even remember that Lisa and Ian were along on this particular trip. And I remember it as colorful, not black and whi

Re: RE: A New Pen-l Project

2000-12-18 Thread Bradford DeLong
>Michael -- > >Supply-side is very much alive -- Robert Mundell recently won the Nobel >prize, for goodness sake! Not for the supply-side stuff he didn't... Brad DeLong

Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Colin Danby
To David: We're past diminishing returns, and I'll be away for a couple of weeks now. So real quickly: 1. Marx had a great many ideas about Capitalism and social science in general, and much can be used even if you don't buy the notion that capitalism blows up of its own accord (I don't). To p

Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Michael Perelman
Absolutely. On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 05:01:38PM -0800, Colin Danby wrote: > > We're past diminishing returns, and I'll be away for a couple of weeks > now. So real quickly: > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL P

RE: RE: RE: RE: Harry Braverman (was Re: Labor: Menial vs. Noble)

2000-12-18 Thread Brian Milani
I tend to agree with Jim Devine when he says: >didn't Braverman argue that the distinction between "conception" and >"execution" was superior to that between mental and manual labor? And Yoshie when she said: >The opposition between manual & mental labor is primarily a >contradiction _within_ t

Japanese public works

2000-12-18 Thread Michael Perelman
First of all, I want to think both Bill and Anthony for their comments. Since I confess that Japan is an absolute mystery to me. I don't know another case in which a bubble has burst and yet seemingly remained in place. I'm amazed that Japan took so long to begin shedding labor. In the United S

looming water scarcity

2000-12-18 Thread Michael Perelman
I mentioned several times during our earlier discussions about energy shortages that water would be an even more severe problem in future. Now achieve foreign policy honchos are coming to support me. 2015 Outlook: Enough Food, Scarce Water, Porous Borders By ELAINE SCIOLINO New York Times 18 Dec

Re: Singing to Tractors (was Re: O Happy Day)

2000-12-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/15/00 05:24PM >>> >>CB: In general I agree with movement to resolve the ancient >>antagonism between predominantly mental and predominantly physical >>labor. >> >>There is some issue of "workerism" , romanticising physical labor by >>some radicals. >> >>However, not tou

Re: Re: Question for the Lefties -- II

2000-12-18 Thread Jim Devine
Colin writes: >1. Marx had a great many ideas about Capitalism and social science in >general, and much can be used even if you don't buy the notion that >capitalism blows up of its own accord (I don't). nor did Marx. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~JDevine

Re: RE: A New Pen-l Project

2000-12-18 Thread Jim Devine
David wrote: >Supply-side is very much alive -- Robert Mundell recently won the Nobel >prize, for goodness sake!George Gilder is the guru of the internet. >Lawrence Lindsey, Bush's top economic advisor, is a supply-sider. >Personally, I am a big-fan of supply-side theory, and if I don't get a

Re: Question for the Lefties -- II (Max's market

2000-12-18 Thread charlie
CB wrote: > Ownership [under socialism] of the basic means of production would be publicly owned. < If the firm or production unit that makes a milling machine cannot put the machine at the door and tell the state, "There it is, take it," then the firm must find a buyer for it. Another firm must

Re: RE: language

2000-12-18 Thread Justin Schwartz
>[Churchland's book is "Scientific Realism and the Plasticity of Mind", a >157 page gem that's a delight to read] > Absolutely lovely; the best thing he ever did, and very good it is indeed. --jks _ Get your FREE download of MSN

Re: Japanese infrastructure question again

2000-12-18 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Anthony said: >As for whether corruption has had its predatory effects, it is amply clear >that Japan is not an economy we can club with Zaire. The economic effects >of, if you will, corruption is considerably greater than zero. The sheer >physical infrastructure will indicate that, not to ment

Re: looming water scarcity

2000-12-18 Thread Chris Burford
At 18:34 18/12/00 -0800, Michael Perelman wrote: >I mentioned several times during our >earlier discussions about energy >shortages that water would be an even >more severe problem in future. Now >achieve foreign policy honchos are >coming to support me. > >2015 Outlook: Enough Food, Scarce Water