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From: Sebastian Budgen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PROGRESSIVE SOCIOLOGISTS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:22 AM
Subject: News from HM and call for papers - please circulate
Dear Friends,
We are pleased to tell you that the new issue 7 of
Thoroughly indignant at the Genoa summit being disrupted by the unelected,
Tony Blair yesterday claimed that it had made major progress on the world
financial system.
But although he went on record to claim that the plan for Africa was a
kind of Marshall Plan (which would be highly
Although this dispute is no doubt very painful for the protagonists, and
they have my sympathy, there is an instructive issue here about how much
important disputes can or cannot be resolved outside the bourgeois law.
There are two different meanings of the concept of civil society in the
Do some fucking research and try
to stay on point. Then maybe it would be worth
arguing with you.
I see at the weekend that fuck has reached the pages of the Church TImes
(UK)
(joke: Loutish adolescent shouted fucking nun to a woman on a bicycle.
Either one thing of the other came the
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JULY 20, 2001:
RELEASED TODAY: Regional and state unemployment rates were generally
stable in June. All four regions recorded little or no change from May,
and 45 states reported shifts of 0.3 percentage point or less, the Bureau
of Labor
If 'everybody' is rioting, there is an obvious
political burden on the authorities (distinct
from the security burden) because there is a
failure of policy. It becomes clear that
something is wrong.
If a few isolated goofballs are rioting, that
has the opposite effect, or no effect. Days
of
G'day Chris and Ellen,
Bush is quoted as reiterating that the dollar's value is a matter for
markets: The dollar needs to float in the marketplace. If the
market is allowed to function, the dollar will be at an appropriate level.
What the market decides is appropriate, so it's appropriate
At 11:11 AM 7/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
It could be argued that anarchists
are seen as part of the spectrum of protest,
and therefore elevate the profile of the
entire affair when they break things.
But it's possible to overdo it and make
the rioting the center of the story,
instead of the teaser.
Also note the way the bloody violent assault on the Genoa Social Forum gets
mushed into the story. Without the countervailing pictures of the
protester assaulting the cop, the pictures of the attack and blood at the
non-violent Social Forum would incite far more massive condemnation of the
At 11:42 AM 7/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
the nonviolent wing of the protest movement will
have to, out of self-defense, isolate the non-violent wing.
I know that the above is a typo, but it's true that the left has been very
good at isolating itself.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathan writes:
Also note the way the bloody violent assault on the Genoa Social Forum gets
mushed into the story. Without the countervailing pictures of the
protester assaulting the cop, the pictures of the attack and blood at the
non-violent Social Forum would incite far more massive
[was: Re: [PEN-L:15460] Re: Marshall Aid plan for Africa, plus
more?]
Bush is quoted as reiterating that the
dollar's value is a matter for
markets: The dollar needs to float in the marketplace.
If the
market is allowed to function, the dollar will be at an
appropriate level.
What the
. . .
As we have had most graphically demonstrated over the past two decades,
economic growth is not a means to enable the nations to afford better
housing, social programs and a more equitable distribution of income.
Economic growth is an ideological program offered as a substitute for
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From: Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This may be unfair and illegal, but we aren't living in a fair and legal
world on those terms, so the nonviolent wing of the protest movement will
have to, out of self-defense, isolate the non-violent wing.
-How do you plan on
July 14, 2001
FINANCE ECONOMICS
In the balance
MANY economists believe that America's economy has escaped recession and
may rebound in the second half of this year. But a new paper* by Wynne
Godley and Alex Izurieta at the Jerome Levy Economics Institute argues to
the contrary that large,
what about also politically isolating the violent ones, by criticizing
their tactics, strategies, and goals in a principled way?
At 12:24 PM 7/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
-How do you plan on doing the isolating?
Nathan writes:
That depends on the collective decision of a movement organizing a
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From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what about also politically isolating the violent ones, by criticizing
their tactics, strategies, and goals in a principled way?
That would have to precede any physical isolation- the responsibility on the
broader movement is to
-How do you plan on doing the isolating?
That depends on the collective decision of a movement organizing a protest.
Simply separating away from the most violent protesters denies them
protection in the mass of non-violent protesters. They can then try to take
on the cops by themselves, but
The Chico State system seems to be having problems and the server that
handles pen-l is down. I have only looked at a few messages in the archive
since I don't think many messages have gone through.
I thought that the discussion regarding the paper by Alex and Wynne was
excellent.
I am
At 01:43 PM 7/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
At 9:59 AM -0700 7/23/01, Jim Devine wrote:
what about also politically isolating the violent ones, by criticizing
their tactics, strategies, and goals in a principled way?
Yoshie writes:
We can certainly criticize them, though there isn't much to say
Truly digmatic poetic. It's going on my wall,
next to my Allan Ginsburg postcard.
mbs
...eyes sexy in their dark skin passing out incom-
prehensible leaflets,
who burned cigarette holes in their arms protesting
the narcotic tobacco haze of Capitalism,
who distributed Supercommunist
I see occasional references to GDP of the State of California. I. e.
California by itself is the XX largest economy in the world.
How is the GDP for a state defined?
For computer chips, for example: Intel is headquarted in California
but produces chips in New Mexico, Ireland -- and
Gross State Product, produced by Regional Economic Info
Service of BEA, Dept of Commerce.
GSP is state counterpart of GDP. Since profits (and a
few other things) are not reported by state, BEA takes
profits for an industry and allocates it by state
according to earnings for that industry. Same
I am still cut off from my normal access to e-mail.
I was thinking this morning about what would happen in the power of the US
relative to the IMF and World Bank were reduced by 99%. What would a
structural adjustment plan for the US look like?
Also, I thought that one good thing about the US
Two major pieces in one day; news that is progressive economically and
politically and has world significance.
1. The Bonn Global Warming Treaty, enormously valuable for the size of the
agreement. But also for the fact that Europe stepped forward to give a
world lead, separate from the US,
[courtesy of Financial Markets Center]
In case you missed it, Alan Greenspan provided the following information in
his semi-annual monetary policy report to the House Financial Services
Committee on July 18:
Ms. Jones: Do you support a living wage?
Greenspan: I don't know what that means. I
Max,
You need to make it simpler for me. If Intel were, in 1980, producing
all its chips in California, would its product be considered 100%
California GSP, though its sales were world-wide? If that were the case,
then its California consumption of electricity, in kWh/GSP would be XX.
2016 and All That
By PAUL KRUGMAN (NY TIMES, July 22, 2001)
I knew that the commission on Social Security reform appointed by
George W. Bush would produce a slanted report, one designed to
bully Congress into privatizing the system. But the draft report
released last week is sheer,
Subject: Report: President Bush Has Lowest IQ of all
From the Pennsylvania Court Observer
7-10-01 12:32 PM CST
University Notes Contributors: Cristina L. Borenstein, Lana Taamar
In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein
Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania detailed its
Max,
You need to make it simpler for me. If Intel were, in 1980, producing
all its chips in California, would its product be considered 100%
California GSP, though its sales were world-wide? If that were the case,
mbs:
Firm-level data is not involved. If U.S. IT
profits were $100 billion,
BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, JULY 23, 2001:
The economic slowdown felt in virtually all regions has boosted
unemployment rates to 5 percent or higher in eight states and the District
of Columbia, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But 32 states
still had
Economic Reporting Review, July 23, 2001
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In his article in the Observer of the previous Sunday, 15th, Will Hutton
predicted world financial meltdown.
The trouble is that for 30 years the US has worked tirelessly to create a
world system that suits its interests but without simultaneously creating
robust international institutions
I agree that the legal system (U.S.) is inappropriate for disputes such
as these. I think we've all been in a few verbal tussles and flame wars
with friendlies. It's not fun, but it probably shouldn't draw a
lawsuit.
Allow me to suggest a radical solution. I'm not sure that this could
work, but
Monday July 23 5:57 PM ET
WTO Panel Rules Against U.S. Tax Break Plan
By Adrian Croft
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - World Trade Organization experts ruled on Monday
that a U.S. business tax break program was actually an illegal export
subsidy, bringing the European Union and the United States closer to
I am back online, albeit with a Telnet connection only. About
four or five days worth of mail evaporated without reaching me.
I could've lost out on the opportunity to earn millions of
dollars in the latest Nigerian scheme.
The loss was more extreme because I thought that the discussion
Raising the Temperature
George Monbiot
Tuesday July 24, 2001
The Guardian
Asking the G8 leaders to decide what to do about the developing
world's debt is like asking the inmates of Wormwood Scrubs to decide
what to do about crime.
Debt is the direct result of the banking structure which has
It's called "arbitration," and people do it all the time, mainly to avoid the expense and delay of regular judicial proceedings. There's no reason lefties couldn't set up arbitration panels. Ypu don't entirely escape the toils of the courts. The arbitrator's awards have to be consistent with the
I agree the case could be looked at by a small number of people who would
be trusted by both sides, but to be valuable the proceedings would have to
be different from those of a parallel, left wing, court. It should not be
looking at a concept of whose bourgeois right was wronged, and the
It is difficult to do justice to this article by way of comment, because
much of it is about pushing the technical limits of information about
private credit/debt.
All human beings and all societies live with an element of risk, and try to
take precautions against it. We have to accept that
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