Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Patrick Bond
I partially agree, Peter. George is generally so sensitive to power relations and so critical of corporate influence over public institutions that this I was wrong article really required bizarre distortions. I have a gut feeling that he is reacting to the rise of deglobalization discourses, as

severe Brit losses in Iraq

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
Further to last night's post the BBC Radio 4 programme this morning had a representative of the INC arguing that their contacts suggest that this was a one off in a village that had had a weapons inspection search by the British 2 days before in a Shiite region generally sympathetic to the allies

A neuroeconomics approach to branding

2003-06-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
http://shitbegone.com/

Re: FW: Scientific socialism

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-06-23 23:58 -0700, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect the really difficult debate is about whether there is a single scientific socialism now, and what it is in today's context. Or whether marxism is a method of science, rather than a

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread Grant Lee
Jim Devine writes: Grant writes: In reality I don't really think there is much difference between state socialism and state capitalism, although the former is distinguished by the support of the working class and the stated intention to abolish the state, at some point in the future. did

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] Query from a Venezuelan Grant writes: In reality I don't really think there is much difference between state socialism and state capitalism, although the former is distinguished by the support of the working class I asked: did the Russian working class support

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Patrick Bond wrote: So I'm back with Keynes on that 1933 Yale Review citation that Daly likes: let goods be homespun whenever reasonably and conveniently possible. Comrades, let's globalise people, not capital... You're doing the same thing that the IMF-Treasury-Wall Street complex does - equate

Re: moneyball

2003-06-25 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Carrol wrote: How much money do the TV networks, the advertisers, and the makers of the products advertised make off of them. Which is why I say we boycott baseball. (What a stupid waste of money, anyway. They ain't neighborhood heroes anymore.) In terms of another sport, hockey, I agree with

Re: moneyball

2003-06-25 Thread Denise Reinhardt
Rickey Henderson is playing left field for the Newark, New Jersey, Bears, a minor league team that is unaffiliated with any major league team. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Perelman Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:03 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: moneyball

2003-06-25 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Denise wrote: Rickey Henderson is playing left field for the Newark, New Jersey, Bears, a minor league team that is unaffiliated with any major league team. Good for him. (If that is true.) Rickey was the most Satchel of all the other Paiges in the book of baseball. Ken. -- And it's

Re: moneyball

2003-06-25 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L] moneyball Which is why I say we boycott baseball. there was a movement awhile back to shun major league baseball, but to go to minor-league games. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine -Original Message-

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Peter Dorman wrote: rgely powerless. It benefits from the importance of being unimportant. The WTO is fatally flawed because it rests on the foundation of trade ministers, the designated corporate gofers within any government. On top of that, it is the product (as are all really important

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Peter Dorman
There are two aspects to the WTO power structure that lead it to deviate from even a moderately acceptable level of democracy. The first has to do with the behind-the-scenes manipulation, which Patrick referred to. It is only formally a one-country, one-vote institution. The second has to do

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Peter: What demonstrators have been demonstrating against is the steady push, utilizing the WTO as a vehicle, for the market access interests of those who profit from exports in every country against all the other social/economic/environmental interests that conflict with them. By its very

Re: severe Brit losses in Iraq

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
At 2003-06-25 08:03 +0100, you wrote: Further to last night's post the BBC Radio 4 programme this morning had a representative of the INC arguing that their contacts suggest that this was a one off in a village that had had a weapons inspection search by the British 2 days before in a Shiite

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Patrick Bond
- Original Message - From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're doing the same thing that the IMF-Treasury-Wall Street complex does - equate trade with capital flows. Keynes said goods, which you elide into capital. Doug, come on, you know the rest of the quote: Above all, let finance

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread Michael Perelman
I have found that discussions on Stalin on this list have never led to much communication or information. On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 04:40:52PM +0800, Grant Lee wrote: Jim Devine writes: Grant writes: In reality I don't really think there is much difference between state socialism and state

intellectuals as intellectual property

2003-06-25 Thread michael
I got this from the H-Labor list. What interests me is the way that such work becomes transformed into property. From: Nelson N. Lichtenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Nelson Lichtenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Background Report: From Labor History to LABOR: Studies in

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Patrick Bond wrote: But sure, it's very hard to do autarchy. That's why advocates of delinking like Amin and Bello specify that they are not for 100% autarchy. They promote delinking from the most destructive circuitry of capital, namely pure export-led growth based upon primary commodities, and

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread Grant Lee
Louis: From the viewpoint of US capital it makes no difference whether it is excluded from a capitalist protectionist state or a socialist one. Of course it does. A socialist state like Cuba is the threat of a positive example. Malaysia is just a place that you can't make a fast buck. Tell

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
As soon as I say that though, I wonder - what common interests are there between Brazil and Zimbabwe? Doug I don't know about Brazil and Zimbabwe but, apparently, Brazil and South Africa are trying to find an answer to your question, if you replace Zimbabwe with South Africa:

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Sabri Oncu wrote: I don't know about Brazil and Zimbabwe but, apparently, Brazil and South Africa are trying to find an answer to your question, if you replace Zimbabwe with South Africa: Brazil SA are regional hegemons with considerable industry. Zimbabwe is quite poor and weak. I picked Brazil

Re: Monbiot on the WTO

2003-06-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
Brazil SA are regional hegemons with considerable industry. Zimbabwe is quite poor and weak. I picked Brazil Zim deliberately, because of the power disparity and because of the geographical distance. Doug I don't care! Turkey is not a third-world country either. We are gonna screw the

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Grant Lee: Tell that to Intel, whose Malaysian plant made the chip I'm using to write this email http://www.intel.com/jobs/malaysia/sites/ In fact, Malaysian industrialisation has more to do with direct and indirect export subsidies paid to foreign and locally owned firms alike. Not a good

Re: intellectuals as intellectual property

2003-06-25 Thread Tom Walker
Could Labor History now be considered *fictitious* capital? Aren't you glad that cows can't fly? Michael wrote, I got this from the H-Labor list. What interests me is the way that such work becomes transformed into property. From: Nelson N. Lichtenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Query from a Venezuelan

2003-06-25 Thread andie nachgeborenen
did the Russian working class support the Soviet state in 1936? Overwhelmingly. Every report from the period indicates incredible optimism, a heroic sense of pride in the revolution, love for Stalin, the works. The intelligentsia and the Old Bolsheviks had more complex attitudes, but the

5 Iraqis killed and many injuries

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
excellent detailed report in the Guardian of invaders in trouble A few hundred metres from the police station is the bazaar, where battered trucks were yesterday unloading produce. There are no bullet scars here, but 24 hours earlier a disastrous incident led to claims that five Iraqi men died

Bring the British troops home

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
It is certainly not in Britain's interests to see the people of Iraq colonised and killed in their thousands. Nor is it right to sacrifice young British lives at the altar of US imperial designs. Only by bringing the troops home and putting pressure on the US to carry out an orderly withdrawal

Campbell's evidence dissected

2003-06-25 Thread Chris Burford
Independent challenging key points. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=419050