Re: Quick overview statistics for Holland

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
A whole mix of things probably... If you owned an enterprise but you were bought out by an investor, the investor might keep you on as a manager, where previously you were the employer. But if the enterprise would lay off employees, the managers have a lower probability of being fired, especially

Rich Colleges Receiving Richest Share of U.S. Aid

2003-11-09 Thread joanna bujes
November 9, 2003 By GREG WINTER The federal government typically gives the wealthiest private universities significantly more financial aid money than schools with much greater shares of poor students. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/education/09AID.html?ex=1069369809ei=1en=d3fc415b596e1d74

Re: new radio product

2003-11-09 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/03 9:00 PM Just added to my radio archive http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Radio.html: and for those of you who missed doug on pbs' _now with bill moyers_ fri nite (that's when orblando affiliate carries it anyway), program website has transcript:

Clyde Prestowitz

2003-11-09 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Saw this chap on World View (on CBC Newsworld) this morn. Very extensive and open interview. (CBC style, most Americans feel free to speak openly in Canada because few people back home will ever hear about it. :) He's author of _Rogue Nation_. Spoke critically of Bush (a radical) and the theory

Re: new radio product

2003-11-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hoover wrote: good job doug but prepare yourself for potshots about reformist-deviationism... michael hoover Thanks, Michael. There's that risk of attacks from the righteous left, but there's also this, posted as a review to Amazon.com shortly after the broadcast: Reviewer: Mark from

incompetant Iraqi politicians

2003-11-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Unlike the farsighted US politicians . The Washington Post today: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17199-2003Nov8.html The United States is deeply frustrated with its hand-picked council members because they have spent more time on their own political or economic interests

Re: new radio product

2003-11-09 Thread Brian McKenna
Doug and all, Well at least Mark from Santa Fe admits to not having even read your book! Doug's interview was good, even though reformist (hey, we're in the Dark Ages here folks). . .Doug should have a weekly spot on NOW and share snippets from his radio interviews, contextualized by Doug to

Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Hi Sabri -- I didn't respond to this because I wanted to give it a lot of thought. And try to separate out layers of influence in my own opinions. Maybe I've just been westernized as you sort of imply. (Plus, Jurriaan did a rather good job in dealing with the concept of western rationality as a

Re: incompetant Iraqi politicians

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
When Kamel Kilani announced the $13 CPA budget, this was based largely on pre-war and post-war oil revenue, plus revenue from frozen local and overseas bank accounts (about $2.5 of assets are supposed to have been seized from Saddam Hussein's government), he said the budget reflected five core

Bring Halliburton Home

2003-11-09 Thread valle
lookout by Naomi Klein Bring Halliburton Home [The Nation from the November 24, 2003 issue] Cancel the contracts. Ditch the deals. Rip up the rules. Those are a few suggestions for slogans that could help unify the growing movement against the occupation of Iraq. So far, activist debates have

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread joanna bujes
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: However, once it is admitted that human beings are part of the material world and connected with it all the time through conscious practical activity, most philosophical problems about our ability to know the world disappear and become practical, experiential questions.

Re: Bring Halliburton Home

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
And what is sovereignity in this day and age ? Sovereignity is a concept, but it's a relative concept. If there was a provisional government of Iraq, we could give it symbolic sovereignity and it would help it to gain legitimacy, thereby reducing the need for an assertive occupation. - Zbigniew

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
That was beautifully and clearly said... Well thanks. In Britain or California they can always say it so much better than I can, I mean, I can think it but I might not be able to say it, that was a problem all my life really. But I am working on it. When language gets hard, I know I've got

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jurriaan: I think what Sabri really has in mind by Western rationality is the dualism and fetishes generated by commercial activity, but Ibn Khaldun already described that these processes were also occurring in the East. Ken and Jurriaan, I don't have the time to respond to this at length

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Sabri wrote: I never claimed that western rationality is a western phenomenon. I use it as a name only. And at times I use it intentionally to give the word western a derogatory meaning to take revenge from you westerners. Any objections to that? No objections, go ahead, it's just that you

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread joanna bujes
Sabri Oncu wrote: Back to work, that is, homework and I tell you, you don't want to do this at my age. Yeah, work is bad enoughbut at least there, I can slog through it while repeating to myself: I get paid $$/hour to do this; I get paid $$/hour to do this; Hard to do that in school. By

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread andie nachgeborenen
. I never claimed that western rationality is a western phenomenon. I use it as a name only. And at times I use it intentionally to give the word western a derogatory meaning to take revenge from you westerners. Any objections to that? Sure, all you Orientals are irrational, we wouldn't

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Devine, James
why don't we call it capitalist rationality? JD -Original Message- From: Sabri Oncu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/9/2003 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Western rationality

sweatshop surplus-value

2003-11-09 Thread g kohler
further to the dicussion on surplus-value etc - and thanks for your comments! - and using Jim Devine's expression (below) of pool of global surplus-value, QUESTION: what does a worker in a sweatshop factory in Haiti contribute to the pool of *global* surplus-value (SV)? My example is from a

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
why don't we call it capitalist rationality? JD Well as you know, I never disagree with you. J.

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
that is rational, in a western way. ;-) Some people get a cheap laugh breaking up the speed limit Scaring the pedestrians for a minute Crossing up progress driving on the grass Leaving just enough for room to pass Sunday driver never took a test Oh yeah, once upon a time in the west Yes, it's

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Sure, all you Orientals are irrational, we wouldn't expect anything better. jks Hey! This is not an insult but a great praise. I take pride in being irrational. I don't think heart and reason are separable. By the way, jks's reaction also demonstrates how good I am at touching the peoples

Re: Rich Colleges Receiving Richest Share of U.S. Aid

2003-11-09 Thread Mike Ballard
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The federal government typically gives the wealthiest private universities significantly more financial aid money than schools with much greater shares of poor students. I used to laugh at the notion that Stanford was a private university and that

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
A businessman is a hybrid of a dancer and a calculator. - Paul Valery

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ken: I had originally thought it was about the proportion of onion, green pepper and ham in an omelets. What you originally thought was right. It doesn't have anything to do with east or west but as I said in my previous post, it is about that heart and mind are not separable. In reason there

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jurriaan: A Turkish guy I lived with in New Zealand later accused me of trying to steal his girlfriend but it was bullshit, she didn't even fancy me either. Hey! I don't know about other Turkish guys but most of the time I had been the one who was accused of trying to steal other guys'

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Carrol Cox
Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Hey! I don't know about other Turkish guys but most of the time I had been the one who was accused of trying to steal other guys' girlfriends. Those girlfriends usually fancied me without me doing anything about it but I never ever stole girlfriends of other

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jurriaan: Or maybe ire-rational ? I haven't done it either, not wittingly anyway, but I could imagine that in certain situations having a heart could lead to that situation. I am not saying all Turkish guys are alike, because they aren't, I am just saying I have known them to jump to

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Kenneth Campbell
All Right! Sabri writes, progressively: You are demonstrating a westernly rational behaviour. It is slipping from an adjective to... well... a lesser adjective. Not western now westernly. Soon it will be a not eastern. Also, I never said that I want to take revenge from western rationality.

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Sabri Oncu
Ken: It is slipping from an adjective to... well... a lesser adjective. Not western now westernly. What was I supposed to write Ken in order not to slip to a lesser adjective? Western rationally behaviour? Westeronoid rational behaviour? Western rationalesque behaviour? Or would it have been

Re: Western rationality

2003-11-09 Thread Kenneth Campbell
I like this one: Westeronoid rational behaviour? After that, you can loot the fucking tradition. :) Ken. -- Fall out of the window with confetti in my hair. -- Tom Waits

the socialism of risks/costs

2003-11-09 Thread Eubulides
[New York Times] November 10, 2003 When Subsidies to Lure Business Don't Pan Out By LOUIS UCHITELLE INDIANAPOLIS - A huge, light-gray building, trimmed jauntily in blue, rises from the rolling, grassy fields on the far side of the runways at Indianapolis International Airport. From the approach

Re: the socialism of risks/costs

2003-11-09 Thread joanna bujes
I think Gore Vidal summed it up best when he said What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor. Joanna Eubulides wrote: [New York Times] November 10, 2003 When Subsidies to Lure Business Don't Pan Out By LOUIS UCHITELLE INDIANAPOLIS - A huge, light-gray

Re: the socialism of risks/costs

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
I think Gore Vidal summed it up best when he said What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor Maybe this is a bit side-ways, but in his essay What is the bureaucracy ? (reprinted in Tariq Ali (ed.), The Stalinist Legacy), Ernest Mandel refers to the elite

Quick overview statistics - correction

2003-11-09 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In the list of corporations I cited, two spelling errors slipped in: Randstand Detache - 254,000 KNP Telecom -38,000 Randstand should be Randstad, this is a corporation which hires out detache's and temporary workers to other companies. KNP Telecom should be KPN Telecom. The original state-owned