I am just reading through this discussion.
This Julio Huato seems to have a grasp of strategy and tactics... But I
don't want to damn him with my praise.
Michael P. (the closet horsetrader) wrote:
Julio is probably right, but think of how horrible
this situation is.
Well... I'd say DON'T
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
FYI, http://www.umass.edu/peri/robertpwp.html.
--
Yoshie
* Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
* Calendars of Events in
At 2:55 AM -0500 11/16/03, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
If you want to see what people, currently, really think about power
and money, take a look at the jury awards given to humans against
corporations. Jury awards are HUGE. Usually shot down at the
non-public appellate level.
Also, the majority of
According to the NYT article, 43 million people in the USA don't have health
insurance, and their numbers are rapidly increasing because of soaring costs
and job losses.
In total, Census Bureau statistics indicate between one in seven Americans
are uninsured, and of the uninsured, males comprise
In a message dated 11/16/03 6:07:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
According to the NYT article, 43 million people in the USA don't have healthinsurance, and their numbers are rapidly increasing because of soaring costsand job losses.
People's Tribune/Tribuno del Pueblo
People's Tribune/Tribuno del Pueblo (Online Edition) Vol. 30 No. 15/ November, 2003P.O. Box 3524, Chicago, IL 60654 http://www.lrna.org**1. EDITORIAL: BILLIONS FOR WAR, WHILE POVERTY SPREADSAcross the board,
The question is how to create a political party -- including but not at all
limited to electoral vehicles -- that is truly an effective political
expression of the already left-wing sentiments of American workers.
That is just to say that party already exists, in the sense that the leaders
and
The question is how to create a political party -- including but not at all
limited to electoral vehicles -- that is truly an effective political
expression of the already left-wing sentiments of American workers.
That is just to say that party already exists, in the sense that the leaders
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
FYI, http://www.umass.edu/peri/robertpwp.html.
When Bob was at Labyrinth Books in New York a few weeks ago, someone
But how does one get the ball rolling on the practical level? In the US
the system is set up to stifle any third party. The greens have gained a
little ground, but for the most part nobody pays attention to the small
parties. I think a better solution would be to infiltrate a larger party.
Here in
excellent point.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:55:53AM -0500, Kenneth Campbell wrote:
More faith in people and less preaching to people would help.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
FYI, http://www.umass.edu/peri/robertpwp.html.
When Bob was at Labyrinth Books in New York a few weeks ago, someone
Louis Proyect wrote:
The question is not coming up with truly progressive candidates. In many
ways, Al Sharpton is to the left of Ralph Nader. The real issue is
independence from the ruling class.
Yes, but isn't this independence most efficiently acheived by wresting the existing
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
What are the tenets of Keynsian economics?
Benjamin
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
When Bob was at Labyrinth Books in New York a few weeks ago, someone
pressed him to label himself. He calls himself a socialist.
Doug
Is he a good public speaker?
Yes. His style is fairly low-key, but he's fluent and engaging.
Doug
Benjamin:
Yes, but isn't this independence most efficiently acheived by wresting the
existing infrastructure from the hands of the ruling class. Since no third
party has been widely successful in the last hundred or so years, these
grass roots movements are in the end futile.
Wresting the existing
Louis:
Wresting the existing infrastructure? To do this would require seizing the
assets of Goldman-Sachs, Exxon, General Motors, etc. since this is
ultimately what allows the two parties to rule this country.
And why not? They've got the guns on their side, so it'd be better to fight a
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a
dollar for war?
-Original Message-
From: joanna bujes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 11/15/2003 8:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re:
Benjamin writes:
But how does one get the ball rolling on the practical level? In the US the system is
set up to stifle any third party. The greens have gained a little ground, but for the
most part nobody pays attention to the small parties. I think a better solution would
be to infiltrate a
of course Bob's a socialist. who said otherwise?
Jim
-Original Message-
From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 11/16/2003 7:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] the Clinton years
Benjamin: What are the tenets of Keynsian economics?
hard question! I'll keep the answer to three simple points (partly based on Bob
Pollin's recent book).
1) a money-using market economy doesn't automatically move toward full employment of
labor (and of productive capacity) or takes a very
In a message dated 11/16/03 7:42:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, but isn't this independence most efficiently acheived by wresting the existing infrastructure from the hands of the ruling class. Since no third party has been widely successful in the last hundred or
£100bn trade deal to sweeten visit
Kamal Ahmed, political editor
Sunday November 16, 2003
The Observer
A £100 billion plan to create a single market between Europe and the
United States will be unveiled this week as part of a government effort to
show that having a close relationship with
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a
dollar for war?
Hand-outs are a bad thing. At least at the micro level.
washingtonpost.com
An Innovative Drug Industry? Well, No
By Peter Lansbury
Sunday, November 16, 2003; Page B02
My friend Jim Cordy was 40 when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.
That was 16 years ago. There is no medicine to slow the inexorable
neurodegeneration that is the underlying
Better, you're right.
Joanna
Devine, James wrote:
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a dollar for war?
-Original Message-
From: joanna bujes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sat 11/15/2003 8:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So if I give money to a beggar, that's a bad thing?
Joanna
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for Bush is a dollar for war?
Hand-outs are a bad thing. At least at the micro level.
Hand-outs don't enable people for self-suffiency. Those who are capable of
self-sufficiency ought to be. I work in a psychiatrice emergency room at the county
hospital in Minneapolis, MN. Many of the patients who come through here expect us to
give them handouts--bus fare, food, money for
I have read with interest recent posts under the heading "Step into the
Classroom." I have been a labor educator since 1980. I have taught
working class students, mostly local union activists, through labor studies
programs at Penn State University, West Virginia University, The University
That's great news. Thanks.
Joanna
MICHAEL YATES wrote:
I have read with interest recent posts under the heading Step into
the Classroom. I have been a labor educator since 1980. I have
taught working class students, mostly local union activists, through
labor studies programs at Penn State
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hand-outs don't enable people for self-suffiency.
are human beings capable of being self-sufficient? i do not know of a
single one that is so, but perhaps thats because my friends and i are
all bottom feeders. ;-)
--ravi
My broader vision:
*Social ownership of the productive apparatus
*Democratic control (one person, one vote) of both the
productive apparatus, the product of labour and the
distribution of goods and services
*Production based on use and need, not commodity
production for profit
*Planning based
Michael Yates has a particularly good aptitude for connecting with
students, judging from his book and other writings that he has posted.
Ian said that I sounded preachy in my post. Perhaps so. He said that we
must convey trust in others when communicating. Certainly so.
The more that we can
but it suggests that a hand-out is a bad thing. How about a dollar for
Bush is a dollar for war?
Okay if that is the case, then my slogan is wrong and I withdraw it. But,
typically what the rightwing bourgeois does, is he accuses workingclass
people in a weak position of seeking a hand-out
Benjamin asks me:
But how does one get the ball rolling on the practical level? In the US the
system is set up to stifle any third party. The greens have gained a little
ground, but for the most part nobody pays attention to the small parties. I
think a better solution would be to infiltrate a
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian said that I sounded preachy in my post. Perhaps so. He said that
we
must convey trust in others when communicating. Certainly so.
===
I apologize if I conveyed that, Michael. You're not preachy in any
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/03 7:40 AM
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
FYI, http://www.umass.edu/peri/robertpwp.html.
--
Yoshie
i've found pollin's work on living wage to be quite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/03 10:26 AM
The
first Democratic Party president was Andrew Jackson who is represented
in
liberal history books, such as those written by Arthur Schlesinger Jr.,
as
the leader of a kind of plebian revolution.
Louis Proyect
'jacksonian democracy' and 'era of common
Right on.
...another bottom feeder I guess
Joanna
ravi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hand-outs don't enable people for self-suffiency.
are human beings capable of being self-sufficient? i do not know of a
single one that is so, but perhaps thats because my friends and i are
all bottom
Schlessinger explicitly wrote to promote Jacksonian populism as an
alternative to communism.
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:31:48PM -0500, Michael Hoover wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/16/03 10:26 AM
The
first Democratic Party president was Andrew Jackson who is represented
in
liberal history
'jacksonian democracy' and 'era of common man'...white male suffrage did
expand (only three southern states still required property-ownership in
aftermath)...of course, financial aristocracy controlled north and
slavocracy controlled south (jacksonian interests represented emergent
western
Eubulides wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ian said that I sounded preachy in my post. Perhaps so. He said that
we
must convey trust in others when communicating. Certainly so.
===
I apologize if I conveyed that, Michael.
[Thanks to body armor, the proportion of the wounded that are amputees is
supposed to be paradoxically higher, because without it many of them would
have died. I keep wondering whether the count of the wounded might not
end up someday being the politically important body count of the 21st
The functions of hand-outs are ambiguous. At one and the same time,
they both provide a measure of independence from the marketplace and
maintain the reserve army of labor. Since it is impossible to resolve
this ambiguity with each individual, pressure from below for full
employment at higher
From: Michael Pollak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Thanks to body armor, the proportion of the wounded that are amputees is
supposed to be paradoxically higher, because without it many of them would
have died. I keep wondering whether the count of the wounded might not
end up someday being the politically
This article is mostly nonsense, especially with respect to drug
reimporation. The critique of me-to drugs is correct, however.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't have access to Time. Could anyone near a good library be able to
copy the article and send it to me? Probably just one page is needed.
You can't mine coal without machine guns. --Richard B. Mellon,
Congressional testimony quoted in Time, June 14, 1937
--
Michael Perelman
Economics
Published on Sunday, November 16, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
In California's Capital, Treetops and Grassroots Politics
by Seth Sandronsky
World attention. That's what the inauguration on Mon., Nov. 17 of Gov.-elect
Arnold Schwarzenegger has brought to Sacramento, the Golden State's capital.
World
I don't know if you non-Californians heard this, but the new idea that Ah-Nold has for
dealing with the CA state deficit is to _borrow_ the money. I'm sure that involves
paying higher interest rates than does issuing bonds...
Jim
---
by Seth Sandronsky
World attention. That's
I guess my interactions with crank addicts and homeless people who abuse the county
resources at the hospital where I work has left me a little disillusioned. Writing
self-sufficient was incorrect because as was stated nobody ever really is
self-sufficient. I struggle with this idea of
Doug Henwood wrote:
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
I honestly am not aware enough of Pollin's economic ideas to judge
them, although I am not surprised to discover that he is some kind
of left-Keynsian.
FYI, http://www.umass.edu/peri/robertpwp.html.
When Bob was at Labyrinth Books in New York a few
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess my interactions with crank addicts and homeless people who
abuse the county resources at the hospital where I work has left me a
little disillusioned. Writing self-sufficient was incorrect because
as was stated nobody ever really is self-sufficient. I struggle
joanna bujes wrote:
ravi wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hand-outs don't enable people for self-suffiency.
are human beings capable of being self-sufficient? i do not know of a
single one that is so, but perhaps thats because my friends and i are
all bottom feeders. ;-)
Right on.
this is further to some recent posts on surplus-value and transfer value.
A bit dry. Sorry, folks.
Jim Devine explained (see, full post of 08nov03 below) that there are:
(1) standard Marxian surplus-value
(2) the surplus-product of exploited direct producers in other modes of
production such as
Do workers whose wages are lower subsidize workers
whose wages are higher?
Aren't wages determined by the amount of snlt in the
worker's skills package and what a worker can get for
their skills on the market?
Regards,
Mike B)
=
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