Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Hari Kumar
I trust this is not too old a thread to allow further comment. I know that PEN-ers may be allergic to the name, but still - I was surprised that the old Leninist adage of Support them (=social democracy) like a rope supports a hanged man - did not come up. Though the intent of Jim C's return to

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Hari: However, I cannot believe that some modification of this view does not allow mobilisation behind a non-SD-ic but liberal candidate - i.e. in the circus of all electoral circuses, those taking place in the USA [Oh sorry, I forgot India - they are the best cirucses I have seen]. But that's

Mad cow served to how many in CA?

2004-01-17 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Recalled beef was served at Nevada County eateries By Jon Ortiz -- Bee Staff Writer Published 2:15 a.m. PST Saturday, January 17, 2004 Get weekday updates of Sacramento Bee headlines and breaking news. Sign up here. Three weeks after federal officials issued a recall of beef linked to a mad cow

Re: Halliburton; still more cash

2004-01-17 Thread k hanly
I thought that Halliburton had already been exonerated by the Army Corps of Engineers. THere was a ruling made by Gen Flowers that Halliburton was not required to provide cost-pricing data for its dealings with a Kuwait supplier and that a fair price was paid. The ruling was made Dec. 19. See Wall

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread michael
Lou asked the key question about the election. Louis Proyect wrote: It is obvious that a Dean presidency will not be as bad as a Bush presidency, but in terms of the real material conditions of life, the differences will have no effect. Unemployment, bad health, rotten schools, shabby

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Brian McKenna
It's off with Gramsci and on with Che. . . .l love them both, but as I re-read Jon Anderson's 1997 book on Che and the Cuban revolution. . .and as I read deeper into how Lenin made the Russian revolution. . .and as I reflect on how the IRA, Sandinistas and Vietnamese made their revolutions

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Devine, James
Michael Perelman writes: What would have happened if Gore had been president on September 11? We have had to prove his manhood and to act more precipitously than Bush? we should remember that it was a Democrat (Truman) who started the Cold War and the McCarthyite loyalty checks. The the GOP --

Re: [Marxism] Michael Moore and Wesley Clark

2004-01-17 Thread Craven, Jim
Jose writes: Jim presents a pretty straightforward lesser evil argument in defense of Michael Moore's position. Response (Jim C): This may appear to be equivocating but it isn't. Read what I said exactly: This will no doubt piss some people off, but I can understand why self-described

Query -- book on JFK death?

2004-01-17 Thread Eugene Coyle
Back around September or so I read about a forthcoming book that would assert that LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK. What made it most interesting was that the author was the father of Bush's press spokesperson. Can't recall if it is the current one or the previous one. But I haven't heard

Re: Query -- book on JFK death?

2004-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
It is the dad of the current spokeman. On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 02:16:10PM -0800, Eugene Coyle wrote: Back around September or so I read about a forthcoming book that would assert that LBJ was behind the assassination of JFK. What made it most interesting was that the author was the father of

Investment question?

2004-01-17 Thread joanna bujes
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income funds are a bad idea going forward? If the current decade 2000-2010 is similar to the 1970-1980 decade, which it seems to me it kind of is, why wouldn't a fixed income fund do well? Joanna

Re: Investment question?

2004-01-17 Thread Devine, James
Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income funds are a bad idea going forward? irrational exuberance? Jim

FW: [ANSWER]: Call to Action for Solidarity with the Arab-American and Muslim Community

2004-01-17 Thread Craven, Jim
A CALL TO ACTION FOR SOLIDARITY WITH THE ARAB-AMERICAN AND MUSLIM COMMUNITY The following compelling Open Letter from the Arab-American and Muslim Community to the US Anti-War Movement was issued by 41 organizations (listed below), and has received widespread support from across the United

clark supports the school of the assassins

2004-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0117-01.htm Does this help his progressive credentials? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: Investment question?

2004-01-17 Thread Eugene Coyle
I did not see the origin of this thread. But I assume the pundits foresee higher interest rates ahead, in which case the value of the bonds in the funds will drop. Value goes down as interest rates go up. Gene joanna bujes wrote: Why is it that financial pundits are saying that fixed income

Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
I have been looking over an interesting article Cowie, Jefferson. 2002. Nixon's Class Struggle: Strategic Formulations of the New-Right Worker. Labor History (August). You can read it on line http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0348/3_43/91201898/p1/article.jhtml?term= It suggests that Nixon was

Important manuscript discovered

2004-01-17 Thread Louis Proyect
Noted German historian Oscar Meyer was rummaging through a dusty box of archives in the former East Berlin recently. He found a tattered book entitled Mann, wo ist mein Vaterland? by Michael Mohr lying in the back of one box of papers, which had been severely singed by the saturation bombing

Re: Michael Moore and General Clark

2004-01-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Mike Ballard wrote: We have to take what we can get until we're class consciously organized and therefore powerful enough to take it ALL back. You mean that there will come a wonderful day when, having gone to bed voting for the DP, we awaken the next morning to a glorious dawn of class

son of Stiglitz: the absence of class

2004-01-17 Thread Eubulides
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=1540 [snip] Mistakes are a useful conceptual tool for Stiglitz as he sets about explaining the boom and bust of the 1990s. Because he will not admit the existence of social classes as any kind of defining force in economics or politics, it

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Hari Kumar wrote: I trust this is not too old a thread to allow further comment. I know that PEN-ers may be allergic to the name, but still - I was surprised that the old Leninist adage of Support them (=social democracy) like a rope supports a hanged man - did not come up. Though the intent

Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Shane Mage
CC wrote: George Bush is NOT a fascist (he may be worse in some ways, but he is not remotely the leader of a fascist movement) So Ubu Potus is *worse* than a fascist! And who is it who is supposed not to care whether or not he consolidates and worsens yet further his *worse than fascist* regime?

Re: Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Eugene Coyle
A friend sent me this interview with George Lakoff, which goes towards answering your question, Michael. Inside the Frame http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=17574 Inside the Frame BuzzFlash January 15, 2004 Viewed on January 16, 2004 George Lakoff,

Re: Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Michael Perelman
Lakoff's framing is very important. We don't know how to do it -- at least I have not figured out how. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] A friend sent me this interview with George Lakoff, which goes towards answering your question, Michael. Inside the Frame http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=17574 Inside the Frame BuzzFlash January 15, 2004

Re: Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Shane Mage
Michael wrote: Lakoff's framing is very important. We don't know how to do it -- at least I have not figured out how. But it's the simplest thing in the world--always has been. Just establish virtually monopoly control over all the means of mass communication. Good luck. :-)