Re: Mark Jones Still Wrong

Mark could not have been wrong. in some sense it amounts to a truism. oil runs out dont know how dont know when.? why it was important is because some argued that the invasion of iraq was not because of oil.. it was entirely and i think entirely is justified because of oil. oil is anywhere between

Re: Deflation?

And this is what Kenneth Rogoff says. Maybe we should invite him to PEN-L? Sabri ++ The hidden threat of extreme events By SAMUEL BRITTAN Financial Times (London, England) June 18, 2004 Friday We are now in one of those phases where highly favourable economic data clash with an a

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

>This thing about oil has reach the level of the absurd in my opinion. Putin represents bourgeois property in Russia but not as an abstraction. He also represents distinct national interest and geopolitical considerations  . . .<   Comment   What is actually meant is not a denial of the impo

[Fwd: Swans' Release: June 21, 2004]

http://www.swans.com/ June 21, 2004 -- In this Issue: Note from the Editor:Let's begin with something special, shall we? Curious about "Yiddishkayt?" Interested in the connection between Jewish popular culture and the American Left? Fascinated by the urban Jewish milieu of New York City's lower

Correction

Wrong URL, sorry   http://thewolfatthedoor.blogspot.com   It's the simple things that give us the most trouble  

Knock, Knock

What was, for capitalism ascendant, its self-leavening was the conquering of new markets; the uprooting of all that had gone before; the transformation of all social relations in its self-image. And all this existed, for waxing capitalism, only as an abstraction, a tendency, an impulse. In th

The Day After Tomorrow: Greenwashing the Democrats and Global Capitalism

"The Day After Tomorrow: Greenwashing the Democrats and Global Capitalism": -- Yoshie * Critical Montages: * Bring Them Home Now! * Calendars of Events in C

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Right on the money.  A little smokestack lightning from the Detroit brother.     - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chris Doss's "sources" In a message dated 6/20/2004

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

In a message dated 6/20/2004 12:51:51 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, sartesian wrote:> One mo' time:>> Looking for that thing called specificity,  Mr. Proyect.  And that would be> a social specificity, analyzing the material forces at work

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

It is not control over oil that drives the US policy-- it was/is overproduction, the decline in profits, the dreaded collapse of oil prices. It is the need to destroy capital stock. We've had the argument before. We can show how fixed asset expenditures, rig counts, lifting costs, production cos

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, sartesian wrote: > One mo' time: > > Looking for that thing called specificity, Mr. Proyect. And that would be > a social specificity, analyzing the material forces at work driving the > contending forces. > The same thing that is driving Putin is driving Bush: control over

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

I, for one, need much more information on the sources of the conflict.  Myrelatively uninformed feeling has me aligning with the Russians again forseveral reasons, first of which is that dissolution of the Soviet Union,Balkanization on the grand scale, is itself and has been accompanied by agiant s

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

One mo' time: Looking for that thing called specificity, Mr. Proyect. And that would be a social specificity, analyzing the material forces at work driving the contending forces. As is your preferred style, you reproduce text unrelated to the issue at hand and say "Here, look at this. I told y

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Or the highly respected Russian newspaper Trud? Russian original: http://www.infocentre.ru/win/user/index.cfm?page=12&date=2000-02-17&startrow=1&msg_id=6430 17.02.2000 16:00 Newspaper "Trud" OUTCASTS IN OWN LAND. Documentary testimonies of Russian genocide in Maskhadov Ichkeriya >From the

Re: Putin

Oh yes. A lot of it was revenge killings. I do not defend Yeltsin's war at all. Lieven, as you know if you have read him recently on the subject, is a supporter of Russia in the current conflict.

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Is the Chechen diaspora good enough for you? Rosbalt April 24, 2003 Chechens Call on Russians to Return Leading representatives of the Chechen diaspora in Moscow attended a press conference recently and then a round-table discussion devoted to the situation of the Russian-speaking population of Ch

Re: Putin

Actually, the denial of the right to self-determination of Chechnya and Yeltsin's resulting war on Chechnya was responsible for a lot of the misery endured by Russian residents of Chechnya. It turns out that it was impossible to destroy the Chechen economy and government, to devastate it, wi

Kerry, that weight.

if nothing else, Kerry should say stuff like "if elected, I will guarantee that the US has _no_ permanent bases in Iraq if the Iraqis don't want them..." Kerry: a Lighter Shade of Bush By William M. Arkin William M. Arkin is a military affairs analyst who writes re

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

I hope he's OK. -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:43:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chris Doss's "sources" > > Lou & Chris. I am leaving now. Please. Stop getter personal. I need to get to > Pittsburgh to see m

Whoops!

Sorry for the redundancy, all... my server is doing weird things.

Re: Putin

Chris Doss cited an article that contained the phrase "the cleansing of Russians from Chechnya are just a few post-Cold War examples" You still don't seem to get it. This fellow alludes to ethnic cleansing but he leaves out who, where, what, when and why. Here is the sort of thing I am looking for.

Re: Putin

I just sent some. -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:01:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Putin > > Chris Doss wrote: > > Sigh. Louis, I actually _know_ people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. > > > Chris, I am

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

So while Yastrazhembsky's position in the Russian government obviously speaks to his lack of "uninterest," it still must be demonstrated that he is a liar, distorting fact in the service of his class interest. -- Behold the use of logic! :)

Re: Sinclair Lewis quote

on the other hand, Sinclair Lewis (no relation to Upton) had a good quote. Paraphrasing, he said that when fascism came to the US, it would be called "Americanism." jd -Original Message- From: Carrol Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 6/20/2004 4:55 AM

Re: Putin

mail.ru is behaving spastically, so I resubbed using yahoo. Sigh. Louis, I personally know people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. They were raped, had their apartment confiscated, and left Chechnya on foot. It took me all of 45 seconds on google to find a reference to the very well-know

Re: Putin

Oddly, I managed to find this using google in about 45 seconds: Consequently, while ethnic cleansing affects people what is really at stake is territory; the primary consideration behind moving people is to secure territory defined in ethnic terms. In other words, the quest for territory inhabit

Re: Putin

Chris Doss wrote: Sigh. Louis, I actually _know_ people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. Chris, I am looking for *independent* documentation. For example, I have written many articles making the case that the Kosovars were *the first* to institute ethnic cleansing against Serbs. I backe

Re: Putin

You clearly didn't look very hard. I found this using google in about 45 seconds: Consequently, while ethnic cleansing affects people what is really at stake is territory; the primary consideration behind moving people is to secure territory defined in ethnic terms. In other words, the quest for

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

sartesian wrote: I'm sure, with the vast resources at his command, Mr. Proyect will be able to provide such demonstration. I thought we already established that the White House and the Kremlin are past masters at lying. === Russia Gave U.S. Intel on Iraq, Putin Says THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, June 19, 2

Re: Putin

Sigh. Louis, I actually _know_ people who were ethnically cleansed from Chechnya. I used to work with two sisters who were gangraped, had their apartment seized, and had to leave Chechnya on foot in 1992. I am really tired of this "conversation." Take it up with Vadim Stolts, who happens to hav

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Far be it from me to insist on niceties in arguments, but Mr. Proyect is using a false analogy regarding Yastrazhembsky and Rice: Rice is wrong NOT SIMPLY because she is the Bush's NSA, but because she is demonstrably a liar, distorting fact in service of class interest. So while Yastrazhembs

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Don't worry, Mike, I'll handle it for you. I'm really good at this. - Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chris Doss's "sources" > Lou & Chris. I am leaving now. Please. Stop g

Trent Lott interview (hilarious)

NY Times Magazine, June 20, 2004 QUESTIONS FOR TRENT LOTT All's Fair Interview by DEBORAH SOLOMON Q: Senator Lott, many people associate you not only with conservative politics but also with your curious hair. It never moves, even in the wind. Is it real? A: No. 1, it is not a toupee. No. 2, it is

Re: Chris Doss's "sources"

Lou & Chris. I am leaving now. Please. Stop getter personal. I need to get to Pittsburgh to see me father in the hospital. I don't want to have to worry about the list. Thanks. On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 09:19:42AM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: > Yesterday, Chris Doss told PEN-L that there was e

Chris Doss's "sources"

Yesterday, Chris Doss told PEN-L that there was ethnic cleansing in Chechnya, including Jews. Since demagogic charges of anti-Semitism has surfaced to such an extreme degree in recent years, I was particularly interested to see if there was hard evidence of this. So, instead of producing articles f

Re: Sinclair Lewis quote

:-) Has someone already noted that Upton Sinclair and Sinclair Lewis are not the same person? Sinclair wrote a whole mass of pamphlets besides his novels. This could come from almost anyplace. Carrol Michael Perelman wrote: > > Michael, I would be that C. Cox would know, but it sounds like it be

Re: Putin

Separatism, Terrorism, and Human Rights in the Caucasus To begin with, in 1996, Russia granted de facto full state independence to Chechnya, withdrawing militia units and troops and dismantling all federal structures. However, those steps failed to bring real independence to Chechnya because the

Re: Putin

-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I personally know people who were ethnically cleansed? What do you know, it is even mentioned on your vuddy Vadim Stoltz's website: Vladimir Bilenkin Imperialist Left and the War in Chechnya: Reflecti

Re: Deflation?

By the looks of it, Roach is on our side too but of course there is nothing new about this. Apparently, we are all waiting for Godot but I am sure of that he will show up one day. If only I knew when and whether I would be around to meet him. Sabri + Heading for the Exits Stephen