--- Diane Monaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I read a little while ago that the Russian federal
budget surplus was $8.4 billion during this first
half of 2004 high growth period. Budget surpluses
and high growth do often go hand-in-hand. Is there
the feeling in Russia that the federal tax
By the way, I believe that this is the highest
sustained rate of growth that Russia has experienced
since the Stalin era.
I read a little while ago that the Russian federal
budget surplus was $8.4 billion during this first
half of 2004 high growth period. Budget surpluses
and high growth
If dialectics form a system of logic, it's one that's
qualitatively
different from formal logic. In fact, I'd call them a
system of heuristics
(which Webster's defines as an aid to learning,
discovery, or
problem-solving ... that utilize self-educating
techniques).
---
It is a system of logic in
Also, are military equipment exports fueling some of
this growth? (See article below)
--
BTW the following article (which as an aside were all
edited by me) has data on the Russians arms business.
Mukhin is a Russian defense analyst; I believe he is a
Colonel, and writes (or has written) for
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/20/national/20guard.html
The New York Times
July 20, 2004
Governors Tell of War's Impact on Local Needs
By SARAH KERSHAW
S EATTLE, July 19 - With tens of thousands of their citizen soldiers
now deployed in Iraq, many of the nation's governors complained on
Unfortunately, Ali G.'s HBO shows are not available yet on DVD. I also
fear that it will become more and more difficult for the highly educated
and leftwing British Jew who plays him to fool people like Sam
Donaldson, etc. into thinking that he is a poorly educated inner city
rapper. In any
There is a difference between the way you put it and the way sartesian puts
it, I'd say. Pushing for democracy and responsibility is different than
independent workers organizations constructed against the leadership.
Wouldn't you say? I would say the latter promotes divisions. The former
promotes
why assume the membership will be smarter than
some elected, autocratic leaders? It ain't
necessarily so. I see leaders doing things they
know are dumb because the members want it.
Democracy is good in and of itself, but it isn't
costless.
mbs
I don't see why pushing to make labor unions
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:34:19AM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote:
Unfortunately, Ali G.'s HBO shows are not available yet on DVD. I also
fear that it will become more and more difficult for the highly educated
and leftwing British Jew who plays him to fool people like Sam
Donaldson, etc. into
dialectical thinking is a system of logic in the Hegelian sense of the word, [which]
is not logic in the Aristotelian or Russellian senses.
exactly.
jim devine
Dmytri Kleiner wrote:
He also interviews Gallbraith. Funny stuff.
Professor J. K. Galbraith about the economy.
Ali: What is supply and demand? Is it like with me Julie? I supply it
and she demand it.
JKG: Supply and demand is an old economic expression...
Ali: Is it like in me school?
I wrote:
I don't see why pushing to make labor unions more democratic and to make
the established leadership more responsible represents a split in the
working class. A union would be more effective if it were more democratic
rather than having decisions made on high by plump cats.
Joel W.
from MS SLATE: President Bush used a quick Oval Office QA to say that the government
was looking into connections between Iran and al-Qaida--connections which the final
report of the 9/11 commission is expected to detail when it's released Thursday. The
NY [TIMES]'s off-lead cites government
dialectical thinking is a system of logic in the
Hegelian sense of
the word, [which] is not logic in the Aristotelian
or Russellian
senses.
exactly.
jim devine
---
In fact in Hegel the dialectical thinking isn't
merely a process taking place in the human mind, but
simultaneously taking place
[The government is to join the list of creditors to receive what?
$35 million? What about the $7.2 billion received in government
subsidies (mostly from the Bushes), the value of all the money received
from contracts deceptively and inappropriately arranged --
through G7 meetings -- by the
by Chris Doss
---
It is a system of logic in the Hegelian sense of the
word, which refers to the relationships between ideas
as the develop in the unfolding of Absolute Spirit.
Hegel was using the word Logik with its Greek root,
logos, in mind, esp. the use of logos in Hellenistic
and Roman
The Bush Administrations War on Women Children
by Becky Burgwin
www.dissidentvoice.org
July 19, 2004
By now everybody knows that Martha Stewart has been sentenced to 5 months
in prison for lying about a phone call. I think it was Jeffrey Toobin who
said, The government has sent a clear
right. Hegel's dialectical logic isn't just a logic (or heuristic, as I would
say). It's also ontology, a statement about the nature of reality: to paraphrase old
GWF, the rational (mental) is real (empirical) and rhe real is rational.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CENTER FOR ECONOMIC AND POLICY RESEARCH
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT:
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July 20, 2004
Bretton Woods' 60th Anniversary
International Financial Institutions Need Internal Workforce Reform, say
economists
The World Bank and International Monetary Fund should tie its
[I remember this terrific article from two years ago and I thought it
might be pertinent to reread now]
Titans of the Enron Economy
by SCOTT KLINGER HOLLY SKLAR
The Nation
[from the August 5, 2002 issue]
The pivotal lessons from the Enron debacle do not stem from any
criminal wrongdoing. Most
by Devine, James
dialectical thinking is a system of logic in the Hegelian sense of the
word,
[which] is not logic in the Aristotelian or Russellian senses.
exactly.
^
The Aristotelian and Russllian senses are formal logic, for which the first
principle is non-contradiction.
Dear Penners,
Lewis and Clark College, where I teach, is looking to hire for a tenure track
position. Information follows. I would appreciate any help you can give in
generating great candidates.
Marty Hart-Landsberg
Macroeconomics: The LEWIS CLARK COLLEGE Department of Economics invites
[I missed this one, but it was just sent to me by my 68-year-old aunt
named for Jeanne dArc of Greux-Domremy, Lorraine, France for crying out
loud :). I had not heard about the film -- she had -- but I
now hope -- as she does -- that other film festivals will pick it
up
and there will be
Grammar, logic and math are systems of ordered
symbols.
--
Me: Not to the Greeks, or to Hegel. They are
objectively real. That's why the Greeks never
evolved the concepts of negative numbers or zero; how
can you talk about zero of something? It's absurd. In
one late work of Greek mathematics I
For formal logic , arriving at a contradiction means
there is a
mistake,
something is false.
--
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
Dialectics in Hegel and Marx do not deny this; they
I mentioned Plato:
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and not be in the same way at the same time.
---
Plato, of course, is where the conceot of dialectics
got started in the first place. Does anybody know of
Marx ever
[was: RE: [PEN-L] absolute general law of capitalist accumulation]
Charles B:
For formal logic , arriving at a contradiction means
there is a
mistake,
something is false.
Chris D.
Technically, this is false. In logic, ever since
Plato, the rule has been that something cannot both be
and
In a message dated 7/19/2004 11:16:11 PM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
see why pushing to make labor unions more democratic and to make the
established leadership more responsible represents a "split in the working
class." A union would be more effective if
Ronstadt Loses Vegas Gig After Praising Michael Moore
Some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater after
Ronstadt's comments.
LAS VEGAS (July 20) - Linda Ronstadt not only got booed, she also got
the boot after lauding filmmaker
Please, before you remark upon others's
comments--
I didn't know you were the moderator.
I'll let your request for further discussion on another subject go. Clearly
you think you know what I think and don't want to waste my time trying to
disabuse you of your sagacious superiority.
I'll be sure to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/04 6:29 PM
Michael Hoover wrote:
maybe the three million or so people who voted for nader in 2000
should
take control of local democratic executive committees, use structure
in
place to recruit candidates, slag off on dems who suck, use available
funds to issue policy
With all deserved respect:
No, I'm not the moderator, nor very moderate. I recognize being a left apologist for
occupation is not always a bed of roses. I'm sure there are days when you feel like
chucking everything and going away for a well-deserved rest, but there is no rest for
the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/04 3:33 PM
Michael Hoover wrote:
maybe the three million or so people who voted for nader in 2000 should
take control of local democratic executive committees, use structure in
place to recruit candidates, slag off on dems who suck, use available
funds to issue policy
This is not the way to operate here.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:29:41PM -0400, Joel Wendland wrote:
Please, before you remark upon others's
comments--
I didn't know you were the moderator.
I'll let your request for further discussion on another subject go. Clearly
you think you know what
s.artesian wrote:
The US GAO, now known as the Government Accountability Office (recent
name change) has issued a report detailing the increased instability
and economic decay wrought by the occupation.
i read the news about the GAO report also, and i have been listening to
arguments (on
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/04 10:37 PM
First, all three million do not exist in the same locality. Secondly, a
large number who voted for Nader then now are happily reunited with
friends
inside the regular Democratic Party. Thirdly, fat chance of getting the
national party to change anything, or
Michael Hoover wrote:
This sounds like a very good idea, or at least one worth trying.
What's the argument against it?
Doug
in no particular order: dem party is thoroughly and hopelessly
capitalist, with some exceptions, dem party has dishonorable past, some
left folks' preference for
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly help bring social
justice? Unfortunately, Kerry will not bring troops home without strong
international cover. Otherwise he will be blamed for loosing Iraq. He will have
to keep putting more troops in until Jeb takes over.
--
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
i assume, you meant keeping troops in iraq?
--ravi
sorry. you are correct. but I would be happy to remove the troops from the US.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:18:05PM -0400, ravi wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
i assume, you meant keeping troops
No, I think he meant what he wrote.
Gene
ravi wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
i assume, you meant "keeping troops in iraq"?
--ravi
Killing the Future of Iraq:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/killing-future-of-iraq.html
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
i assume, you meant keeping troops in iraq?
--ravi
or maybe Michael's remembering the old anarchist slogan US out of North America!
Although the local cable access station MNN is a very hit-or-miss
affair, I want to announce the schedule for a truly memorable
documentary as indicated below. The Restorer tells the story of a
Turkish-Armenian rug restorer who is trying to make it in NYC in the
economic downturn following 9/11.
I also think Michael meant what he wasn't aware he wrote, and I endorse his
unconscious wholeheartedly. I believe that the first step in the liberation of Iraq
must be our opposition to the deployment of US military forces anywhere in the world,
including upon the soil of the United States.
Peter Camejo Speaks (San Francisco, July 16, 2004):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/peter-camejo-speaks.html
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for Nader: http://greensfornader.net/
* Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
* Calendars of
I'd be *very* careful how one went about this. It feels like entryism, and
the experience of the (UK) Labour Party in the 1980s suggests that the
'mainstream' Dems would react to it very badly indeed (by which I mean that
this, if it didn't work, would be the *end* of friendly relationships
sorry. you are correct. but I would be happy to remove the troops from the US.
Or bring all the troops home here and re-train them into an army of
fitness instructors -- sorely needed in the fattest nation in the
world.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for
Daniel Davies wrote:
I'd be *very* careful how one went about this. It feels like entryism, and
the experience of the (UK) Labour Party in the 1980s suggests that the
'mainstream' Dems would react to it very badly indeed (by which I mean that
this, if it didn't work, would be the *end* of
Doug writes:
Tom Frank (whose book is selling 10,000 copies a week) says that the
Dems he now meets in DC say there is no working class, and the target
demographic is suburban professionals.
He is quite critical of the Democratic Leadership Council for promoting this attitude.
In fact, in the
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-frank18jul18,1,3286333.story
How the Left Lost Its Heart
Now, the working class has no true champion
By Thomas Frank
Thomas Frank is editor of the Baffler magazine and author of What's the Matter With
Kansas? This article was adapted from
IHT article:
The International Herald Tribune
Philip Bowring: Who owns South Korea?
Philip Bowring IHT
Monday, July 19, 2004
Foreign vs. local investment
HONG KONG At one level South Korea represents a triumph of globalization
over economic nationalism. Yet because of the head-in-the-sand
Waistline2 wrote:
Socialism Betrayed by Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny contains an
underlying
theory grid that evolved from the evolution of the Communist Party USA . .
.
in my opinion . . . and limited to the industrial phase of development.
I read SB as well and also consider it worth
The situation grows more ridiculous by the day. The government is in the
process of issuing vast quantities of won-denominated bonds as a war
chest in order to be able to sell won and buy dollars to prevent the
exchange rate from appreciating. This obsession with maintaining an
undervalued
Michael Perelman wrote:
sorry. you are correct. but I would be happy to remove the troops from the US.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 03:18:05PM -0400, ravi wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
How can anyone believe that keeping troops in the US could possibly
help bring social justice?
what then of US
ravi writes: what then of US responsibility to clean up the mess we created?
shouldn't it be what then of the US power elite's responsibility to clean up the mess
they created?
Do you think that US troops are the best tool for cleaning the mess they were hired to
create? It seems that they are
what then of US responsibility to clean up the mess we created? it seems
to me that many (not necessarily on pen-l) who call for the return of
the troops are primarily motivated by their concern for the safety of
american soldiers. many of these same people i am sure supported the
invasion that
In fairness, Kerry has never denied having blood on his hands and has done
more than most (indeed, has built his political career on it) to bring the
facts about what US soldiers did in Vietnam into the public eye.
dd
-Original Message-
From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
The US establishment could do a lot more good by leaving Iraq, admitting that they
were wrong, that the press screwed up, and warning that the people should be more
attentive to the truth next time.
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:37:03PM -0400, ravi wrote:
what then of US responsibility to clean up
The intention was to do perhaps two more pieces on "Socialism
Betrayed" focusing on the Epilogue. In my opinion how one assess Soviet
socialism and its overthrow pushes the boundary of how the past generation of
communist workers and Marxist understood the law of value, its operations and
Devine, James wrote:
ravi writes: what then of US responsibility to clean up the mess we
created?
shouldn't it be what then of the US power elite's responsibility to
clean up the mess they created?
for an iraqi is there a difference? or even for us? 30-50% of the taxes
i pay go towards funding
Ravi, with all due respect, Iif the US really wanted to make things better the money
that they spend now could buy many more Islamic soldiers, without the stigma of US
control.
If the US left Iraqis decide the fate of their gov't, it would probably be
anti-American and theocratic.
Engels once
In fairness, Kerry has never denied having blood on his hands and has
done more than most (indeed, has built his political career on it) to
bring the facts about what US soldiers did in Vietnam into the public
eye.
dd
Response Jim C: Then why the ads celebrating his Vietnam service? Why
the ads
I think the discussion of whether the U.S. withdraws its troops has to be
broadened to acknowledge that the U.S. has already made great progress in
forcing the neoliberalization of the Iraqi economy. Brenner signed several
orders which continue to be in place that among other things: put all
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