Sorry for three postings on the same thing -- just one more point in
reference to the issue of "Yankee values." The values referred to,
especially 'punctuality' were the values of the capitalists building the
factories, not necessarily the values of the population in the factories.
Further, the
What is PUCT? maggie
lly not clear as to what part of my postings Michael Etchison is
disagreeing with. I began with something to the effect that the idea of any
free labor in the 18th and 19th centuries is more of a myth than a reality.
I ended saying that those writing about the issues of labor in factories in
the
In response to Jim Devine's comments, I just want to point out that it was
not just young women working for wages in the factories in the 1830s.
Smaller factories on the coast of Massachusetts tended to hire the many
widows and children. According to my own estimations (from a series of
sources)
I think Ellen Danin raises some important points. Just to address one, the
lack of union support for the NLRB. I think there are two problems:
1. Most union member's vision of what the NLRB is supposed to be comes from
their union leadership -- and this view tends to be overwhelmingly negative,
Just a few more points on the relation between slave labor, free labor and
industry.
We have this myth of freedom for whites in this country which
simply is not true. In fact, almost NO labor in this country was free in any
legal or economic sense until well into the nineteenth century
While I certainly abhor any further cuts in the NLRB, Eric's
sentiment that further cuts would lead to open war on labor and
non-compliance by businesses with labor law is already a reality.
About sixteen years ago I filed NLRB charges against my employer and
it took about elev
I did not realize that Britain does not have a minimum wage. Are there any
studies out there comparing countries with and without minimum wages? maggie
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The following message from femecon answers the Cato study very well. As
always, studies like this must be seen in context. maggie coleman
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Just to jump in on a tiny piece of this discussion; I think efficiency is
really not an objective terms, even though it is used as an objective term.
Efficiency is really socially defined and takes on different meanings in
context. For example:
>From a capitalist view point; efficiency means ge
Dear Paul;
I am sure Rudy's data from Wachtel is probably far more accurate than my
memory -- though I clearly remember earning $1.15 through high school. Also,
the minimum wage did not cover many workers (maids, waiters, waitresses,
bartenders ). The laws may not have covered the part tim
Sprint has taken the most anti-union stance of all the newcomers to the long
distance market. Apparently they bought a union company in mexico, locked
out the union workers, hired scabs, and the place is now non-union (no, I
don't know the name of the company or any other particulars). The only
One response is that all social welfare programs could be cut and budget
would still not be balanced. The budget will not be balanced till military
spending is cut.
The other is that the budget gap is pure fiction. All long and short term
debt are summarized for the current year. So, it would
>From 1962 to 1966 I worked at a minimum wage job in a library after school
(high school) for $1.15 per hour.
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Nancy Breen was right, I was confusing medicare and medicaid. maggie
It seems that every t.v. piece which covers medicaid these days talks about
the damage to older Americans and their families which might result from the
decrease or eradication of medicaid. In fact, I even saw a republican
campaign ad slot which plays on exactly this (very legitimate) fear. My
q
There is local loop competition already. Local phone service is run on the
same principle as cable television. Also, large businesses have set up their
own internal telephone communications (the local loop) for years. Local
Bells are very frightened that this is the wave of the future, which is
What's going on with NYNEX (I work for NYNEX, I'm a switching equipment
technician -- or switchman if you feel more comfortable with the standard
sexist designation) is that they pushed thousands of managers out the doors
in the last 2-3 years and suddenly realized that they were seriously
shorth
Could it be that the concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands means
that the rich need less young to pass the wealth on to? maggie coleman
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I think Patrick Mason and I might be disagreeing over semantics. I did not
say that the statistics are bogus per se, what I meant is that many marriages
in the past were bogus even though they were recorded as marriage. There are
now more people admittedly unmarried. In the past, many young wom
What is particularly interesting about the U.S. being almost the least union
organized and the worst in terms of workers rights is that, in terms of
marginalist economics, this means that the U.S. market is more 'free' than
other markets. What we have here is a real life experiment in free market
What piece of Jennifer Nelson's did the original quote for this topic come
from? I checked my volume of "Feminist Economics" and there was nothing by
her in the first edition. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jtreachy says that all women do not know who the father of their children is.
I did not mean that women know who the father of their children is -- I
meant that women know their OWN children regardless of who the father is and
that legitimacy is a value which applies to fatherhood -- i.e., mommy
OOPS, I pushed the wrong button and my last post was only partly completed,
so, here goes again.
Carla Orcutt asks what terms we should use in reference to children if not
legitimate and illegitimate since I posed the idea that legitimacy was an
issue of fatherhood imposed on women at a time when
Carla Orcutt raises some interesting questions in response to my posting --
"How should we think about children then if their legal relationship to a
father should not be the issue? What term seems appropriate and not
negative?"
Since between out of wedlock births, divorce, desertion, and widow
While I certainly agree that cutting welfare does not increase the
incidence of children born within matrimony as recognized by the state, I
have to say that the spectacular rise in illegitimacy rates is suspect, only
because I think that the earlier legitimacy statistics were probably s
Not being particularly knowledgeable in Money and or Banking, I have a couple
of questions -- which I hope someone will answer either on the net or
privately:
1. With these types of mergers creating megabanks, is there an increased
possibility of a complete collapse of the banking system if, say
. Is New York more bankrupts than many
other United States cities these days, for instance, Washington D.C.?
Haven't several small or mid sized cities declared bankruptcy in the last
few years?
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I just received a message about a list which is specifically for scholars
working within the History of Thought discipline. There is a moderated list
run by the History of Economics Society. When joining people are encouraged
to introduce themselves and their work.
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Isn't it true that most communication is not verbal but physical ? When
people talk to each other, they say more with their body language than with
their words in many cases --
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Several people sent me notes asking for the information to subscribe to a
history of thought list -- but no one sent me information for a specifically
history of thought list. However, several related lists can be gotten from:
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And they are: cybermind, foucault, marxism, postco
I found this on femecon-l and thought there might be some interest in it on
pen-l. maggie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--More confirmation
A friend of mine is looking for a history of thought network and would also
like the information to join a net called 'marxism'. Can anyone send me
email addresses for these things to pass along?
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Ah yes, ignorance is bliss until you get pregnant. Besides, with less
knowledge, we can make more stuff up! Just think, Newt would be able to get
away with more newtisms. maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In response to Cindy's query, there hasn't been anything in the NY News which
I've seen. In 1989, CWA and IBEW in throughout the entire northeast struck
against NYNEX for five months -- August through December. In New York State
alone, this was 40,000 union members on strike. My paper clipping
I'd like to address two items raised by Bill Briggs:
1. Competition leads to efficiency.
2. Competition is natural.
1. Competition does not lead to efficiency -- rational organization leads to
efficiency.
For instance, what is efficient about paying a CEO $250,000 a year,
and the w
I have not seen water world yet, but I did see dances with wolves and total
recall. I think what happens, especially with conservative white men, is
that there is a contradiction between their view of their role in the world
and objective world conditions. The ecological destruction causing glob
Actually, there is a technical explanation as to why internet costs are
always local. There are --- broadly grouped -- two types of carrier which
literally carry calls from one point to another: local and long distance. It
is very possible to call long distances never going over a long distance
This reply is about 8 days late, I said I thought forcing Purdue to provide
clean, safe working conditions would be major expropriation. Doug asked;
'the chicken manufacturer or the university'? Interesting question. I had
in mind the chicken factory, but the university uses grad students as al
The issue of technology is not as simplistic as I think many people
present it. I think to make any blanket statements, like technology
increases skills, deskills, costs jobs, creates jobs is wrong. Essentially,
technology does all of the above depending on the circumstances. maggie
colema
Doug, I think I under stand major expropriation, but what is "intense
compression?" Of course my wish list -- $10 hour min w., living wages for
non-green card holders, and day care is not realistic -- but then, tell me,
how many slogans and bumper stickers ARE realistic? These are the things
whi
There should be more concrete demands than just quality jobs.
Something should be included about having minimum wage cover ALL workers (it
does not -- it excludes migrants, hotel and restaurant employees, piece rate
workers, and maids). The other thing that would improve quality more
I would disagree that Lenin, Mao, or Stalin were totalitarians.
First of all, the regimes they over threw were far more totalitarian than
any socialist government. Second of all, the word 'totalitarian' only has
real meaning when defined in opposition to democracy -- and it is usually
It might have been a rhetorical question, but doug henwood asks 'Wasn't
growth the greatest good of capitalism for centuries?' (I paraphrased a
little there.) According to many nineteenth century american political
economists, population growth was one of the leading indicators of growing
nation
I also do not have a cite, but I do believe that large numbers of Puerto
Rican women were sterilized without their knowledge during the 1950s and
1960s -- which translates into against their will. I was told this by a
woman I used to work with whose mother received tubal ligation right after
Clinton's press release is the usual suspect melange' of fact and
fiction. First of all, we already have guest worker programs, all those
restaurants in New York who pay for illegal immigrants to come in and work
for 'off the books' or cash wages which do not maintain workers in even
minimal
Dear pen-lers;
It is my understanding that some of Marx's pre-Kapital writings
contained discussion on relative wages, specifically wage as a portion of
productivity advances in capital -- NOT wages as either nominal (money) or
real (commodity purchases). Does anyone know where I could look
One could also point out that the population of Africa is being
decimated by the AIDS epidemic. maggie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wrote the following for femecon-l, but it also applies to the issues raised
by gina neff about who funds what. maggie
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In the July 3, 1
I have been a member of the CWA (Communications Workers of America) for
roughly 17 years, and sadly, our very own Morton Bahr is one of the only
major union leaders supporting Lane Kirkland. Since I know Bahr personally,
it ain't any big surprise.
While, like many union types who ha
can anyone send me a reference for the percentage of prisoners which are
female in the 20th century? I would prefer something for Massachusetts or
Boston, but US wide or any north eastern city will do. I am finding that
circa 1830-40, the prison population in Boston was 37-45% female in any give
Doug forgot to add, in his list of two sided keyneses: the heterosexual or
the homosexual.
I think the budget debate is important in that the gap represents the
inability of the existing government in a capitalist country to hold things
together, and examining where the budget gap has come
Just one observation from an old bag:
one of the biggest jokes about balancing the budget is the method used
to determine the gap. There is no long/short term debt used in figuring out
what the gov't owes at any one time. Every mortgage, every penny owned on
every loan is figured to b
Since I certainly never worked on the "Field Guide" it is probably
presumptive of me to answer the questions posed by D. Henwood with that
disclaimer added:
I believe that part of the problem is the form the data comes in. When
collecting economic information, the census and other burea
In answer to Jerry's question, *what strategies can be used to get out
of a current/future recession*, I have to say that it depends on who the
strategy is aimed at. Personally, I think almost all strategies developed by
our federal government tend to be aimed at getting corporate profits ou
Who says we ever climbed out of the last recession? maggie coleman
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I realize this discussion is on federal spending, but the paying of huge sums
to consultants in lieu of payroll is common among private corporations as
well. A friend of mine finished law school at night and passed the bar .
During this time she was 'upgraded' from a non-management, union positi
I would like to agree with M. Hill that blanket disapproval of foreign aid is
a very poor policy. Part of the problem with disapproving aid for
governments 'we' think are 'undemocratic' is that the terms 'we' and
'undemocratic' are so poorly defined. For example, Marcos in the Phillipines
was ab
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