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Though I haven't read his book, I've thinking about Hernan de Soto (or whatever his name is exactly). His proposal, as I understand it, is to create property rights for the poor (using publicly-owned lands?), which he sees as a way to promote the development of capitalism (which h

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I'm interviewing Hernando de Soto, the Peruvian libertarian propagandist, on the radio tomorrow. Any ideas for questions? Doug

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;ve thinking about Hernan de Soto (or > whatever his name is exactly). His proposal, as I understand it, is to > create property rights for the poor (using publicly-owned lands?), which he > sees as a way to promote the development of capitalism (which he presumes > is a good thing). (Da

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ership all together, thereby abolishing rents and allowing every person to keep the profit of their own labor. Needless to say, these movements all failed. maggie coleman Jim Devine wrote: > Though I haven't read his book, I've thinking about Hernan de Soto (or > whatever his name is ex

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Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, February 03, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [PEN-L:7729] de Soto >Though I haven't read his book, I've thinking about Hernan de Soto (or >whatev

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Mat mentioned Gompers: Frank, Dana. 1999. Buy American: The Untold Story of Economic Nationalism 49: "Samuel Gompers of the cigarmakers union, who emerged in the 1880s as president of the new American Federation of Labor, liked protectionism, too. But he didn't think it went far enough. "If it

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David Shemano wrote: > > -- > > Let me rephrase it this way. De Soto wants to the poor to become > "capitalists." The poor aren't capitalists because they have no employees. Schemes for popular entrepeneurship, microcredit, worker-ow

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The following is an interview with Hernando de Soto, the author of "The Mystery of Capital: Why Capitalism Triumphs in the West and Fails Everywhere Else": http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2001/001/6.24.html Any general or specific critique would be appreciated. David Shemano

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I'm interviewing Hernando de Soto, the Peruvian libertarian propagandist, on the radio tomorrow. Any ideas for questions? Doug +++ How many acres of trees have been exported to Japan since Fujimori's been in power? How much of Peru is owned by Japan? Does he see that as

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alled for the abolishment of land ownership all together, thereby >abolishing rents and allowing every person to keep the profit of their own >labor. Needless to say, these movements all failed. Henry George? he was a leftist (of sorts), whereas de Soto isn't (given what I know about h

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ch as mortgages and other types of secured financing, are unavailable to the poor because they do not have legal title to their possessions. Therefore, they are unable to leverage their possessions into greater wealth. De Soto, in other words, emphasizes the lack of a rational and functioning legal s

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wever, my sense is that the reforms that De Soto is speaking about would not be as upsetting to the landlords as you suggest. I am guessing that to the extent land technically owned by landlords is at issue, we are talking about marginal lands in urban areas, shantytowns, etc., and the possessors

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amp;lr=&safe > =off > Michael Pugliese > -Original Message- > From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:18 PM > Subject: [PEN-L:7781] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Hernando de Soto >

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elman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7806] Re: de Soto Mat mentioned Gompers: Frank, Dana. 1999. Buy American: The Untold Story of Economic Nationalism 49: "Samuel Gompers of the cigarmakers union, who emerged in the

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> > > > What would be the > > difference if the poor were given deeds to their home and business licenses > > for their black market businesses? > I forgot to add that black markets have evolved to _evade_ business licences, deeds and so on (see Patriots and Profiteers by R.T. Naylor). Giv

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>Though I haven't read his book, I've thinking about Hernan de Soto >(or whatever his name is exactly). His proposal, as I understand it, >is to create property rights for the poor (using publicly-owned >lands?), which he sees as a way to promote the development of

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ivision of labor between the ruling class and the governing elite comes in. The former don't foresee the result even now, but the latter who actually do the daily work of governing -- especially policy wonks with some left-wing backgrounds who have read Marx or Marxists -- by now know what th

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there's a critique in the book review by Chase in the current issue of CHALLENGE. Chase also reviews Perelman's book. as I understand de Soto, he's arguing that if we give property rights (in their currently-occupied land) to all the third world squatters, it will unleash ca

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es against street vendors. I don't see how he can move from this observation to suggesting that removing such restrictions could eliminate poverty. On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 12:47:57PM -0800, David Shemano wrote: > The following is an interview with Hernando de Soto, the author of "The &g

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ons. Therefore, they are unable to > leverage their possessions into greater wealth. De Soto, in other words, > emphasizes the lack of a rational and functioning legal system of contract > and property rights as the impediment to the poor. > > David Shemano > > > -- Micha

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. . . De Soto, in other words, emphasizes the lack of a rational and functioning legal system of contract and property rights as the impediment to the poor. David Shemano JD's precis makes DeSoto sound very much worth reading, a developing world form of populism. mbs

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>financing devices that we take for granted, such as mortgages and other >types of secured financing, are unavailable to the poor because they do not >have legal title to their possessions. Therefore, they are unable to >leverage their possessions into greater wealth. De Soto, in other w

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ovement, pre-Marx, > >which > >also called for the abolishment of land ownership all together, thereby > >abolishing rents and allowing every person to keep the profit of their own > >labor. Needless to say, these movements all failed. > > Henry George? he was a leftis

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Jim Devine wrote: >Henry George? he was a leftist (of sorts), whereas de Soto isn't >(given what I know about his views from the reviews). De Soto told me that he's considered a right winger only by right-wingers in the U.S.; in Peru, he's considered something of a l

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e any surplus-value, accumulate capital, etc. That is, it's the >>opposite of "primitive accumulation" (the topic of Michael Perelman's >>recent -- and excellent -- book, also reviewed in the current issue of >>CHALLENGE). At best, the de Soto plan

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, Japs, or any others." > > In his autobiography, Gompers sought to justify these beliefs as necessary > because "maintenance of the nation depended upon the maintenance of racial > purity." > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMA

Tom Kruse on de Soto

Tom Kruse is a valuable activist in Bolivia. I asked him his opinion of de Soto. Dear Pen-Lers: Michael Perelman asked me to put in my two cents on the de Soto thread, against the backdrop of incresing social conlict in the region (Ecuador is in the news up there, I understand). First

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I wrote: > Henry George? he was a leftist (of sorts), Maggie wrote: >Jim, Jim, Jim, do NOT get me started on Henry George. Yeah, I knew about George's bad side. A lot of old leftists were bad, especially on issues of racism, sexism, nationalism. could you explain the Mechanics' views more? are

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I haven't got to De Soto yet. But what's the conceptual difference, here, between this orientation to property rights, and the old-fashioned modernisation theory strategy of invoking "native land husbandry" (their words) in the form of commodified titles to land, in

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- Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jim Devine wrote: >Henry George? he was a leftist (of sorts), whereas de Soto isn't >(given what I know about his views from the reviews). -De Soto told me that he's considered a right wing

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leftist (of sorts), whereas de Soto isn't > >(given what I know about his views from the reviews). > > De Soto told me that he's considered a right winger only by > right-wingers in the U.S.; in Peru, he's considered something of a > leftist. Don't know if this is true, but that's what he said. > > Doug > >

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Hear hear!!! to everything Tom says. I've had much the same experiences on microcredit in Zimbabwe (it occupies a chapter in my 1998 book Uneven Zimbabwe, but the attached magazine article picks up some of my line of argument). Actually, the broader political project Tom describes as an alter

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utility to global >capital that it even the most ambitious titling program, I suggest, >wouldn't make a dent in labor costs. Here the editorial pages >periodically lament that not even maquilas will come and exploit us. FWIW, this doesn't really contradict what I'm sayin

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e placed in the political spectrum is a rather murky business). Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7751] Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto >I wrote: > H

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At 01:09 PM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: > It should be remembered that one reason why >land reform was easier to impose in both Taiwan >and South Korea was that many of the landlords >were either Japanese or had been very close to >the by-then-deposed Japanese overlords. exactly -- and the US t

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I've attached a file of notes I took from an article in the NY Sentinel written by "A Journeyman Mechanic." I hope their clear enough to explain what I mean. Of course, it's been about four or five years since i read them.maggie Jim Devine wrote: > I wrote: > Henry George? he was a left

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There's a strongly critical article on microcredit by PEN-L alumna Gina Neff at . And a followup at . Doug

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The key figure in the Land Reform was Wolf Ladejinsky, an anti-communist socialist. sorry. have to go. Jim Devine wrote: > At 01:09 PM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote: > > It should be remembered that one reason why > >land reform was easier to impose in both Taiwan > >and South Korea was that many

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old leftists (although > where George should be placed in the political > spectrum is a rather murky business). > Barkley Rosser > -Original Message- > From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sunday, February 04, 20

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, 2001 1:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7770] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto Maggie, It is also most certainly not true that Henry George's "main claim to fame" is his anti- Chinese writings. Heck, I had never even heard of them before you mentioned them, and I have ev

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&safe =off Michael Pugliese -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7781] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Hernando de Soto >The key figure in the Land Reform was Wolf Ladejin

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> Any details on Roy Prosterman? AIFLD land reform advisor in S. Vietnam in > the 60's. Developer of and leading apologist for the counterinsurgent land reform in El Salvador in the early 1980s. For more: Philip Wheaton. 1980. _Agrarian Reform in El Salvador: A Program of Rural Pacification._

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TECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7785] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto >Barkley, we'll have to disagree. I will try and find the cites I used to use in >class. Henry George may not be famous for his anti-Chinese sentiment today, but

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bruary 05, 2001 9:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7785] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto Barkley, we'll have to disagree. I will try and find the cites I used to use in class. Henry George may not be famous for his anti-Chinese sentiment today, but he was very famous for it in th

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arkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Brown, Martin (NCI) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: [PEN-L:7850] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto >This is actually kind of complicated.

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: de Soto Maggie, But George had influence because he was already famous as the author of the best selling book on economics in the US in the nineteenth century. Noboby would have paid any attention to his anti-Chinese rantings if he had not already been famous. And he is famous for what he

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: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7866] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto Martin, Well, what George is most famous for today (and was at least somewhat famous for in his own day) is his advocacy of a single tax on land as a general solution to many economic problems. This actually drew on

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At 01:16 PM 2/7/01 -0500, you wrote: > Well, what George is most famous for today >(and was at least somewhat famous for in his own >day) is his advocacy of a single tax on land as a >general solution to many economic problems. I understand that there are Georgians [followers of Henry G.] w

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gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:34 PM > Subject: [PEN-L:7785] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto > > >Barkley, we'll have to disagree. I will try and find the cites I used to > use in > >class. Henry George may no

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gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:34 PM > Subject: [PEN-L:7785] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto > > >Barkley, we'll have to disagree. I will try and find the cites I used to > use in > >class. Henry George may no

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y articles related to Georgian economics in the AJES over the years. -Original Message- From: Jim Devine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7878] Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto At 01:16 PM 2/7/01 -0500,

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eview 1986;40:61-74. -Original Message- From: Margaret Coleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7889] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: de Soto I understand you are not defending George, but I think that his discrimin