Re: [Marxism] The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-05 Thread Louis Proyect
Mallard Q. Duck wrote: Scary. Any examples of this? Online New York Times archives or whatever? Here's something fairly typical. NY Times, July 22, 1923 "The Swashbuckling Mussolini" by Anne O'Hare McCormick (clip) The miracle is a miracle of conversion. Here at last is a Government that has transf

Re: The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-04 Thread Chris Doss
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He liked the fact that Soviet children wore uniforms, etc. Oh, my back!) --- Most people in Russia want to bring that back on a voluntary basis. Personally I find Young Pioneer uniforms to be adorable. __ Do you Yaho

Re: The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-03 Thread Carrol Cox
> "Devine, James" wrote: > > [how does this look?] > > >Alan A. Block, "Space, Time & Organized Crime": > > >As a way of initially placing the fascist presence in America, > consider Mussolini's reception in the United States. One of those random things one remembers from early youth (8 or 9 at mo

Re: The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-03 Thread Devine, James
larity" which was a "product of the press." Diggins pointed out that "The New York Times" correspondents' writing on Italy approved of fascism and Mussolini. One of the most prolific was Anne O'Hare McCormick who "rhapsodized upon the feats of the Blackshir

The NY Times, the Democratic Party and Italian fascism

2004-08-03 Thread Louis Proyect
;product of the press." Diggins pointed out that "The New York Times" correspondents' writing on Italy approved of fascism and Mussolini. One of the most prolific was Anne O'Hare McCormick who "rhapsodized upon the feats of the Blackshirts and consistently defended the

The idiocy of Israeli fascism

2004-03-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
A new species of officer is achieving greatness in the Israel Defense Forces. These people did most of their service as occupation officers, and their excellence is a function of the degree of violence and brutality they exercise against the Palestinians. The most striking example of this trend is

Re: Ernest Mandel remembers: fascism and the students (excerpt from a lecture given in Bonn, 29 January 1969)

2004-02-12 Thread Devine, James
Ernest Madel wrote: >The first advances which the fascists made, were mainly among student movements and in student milieus. Hitler gained majority support at German universities, many years before he actually had a significant proportion of the German electorate behind him. The same applies to an

Ernest Mandel remembers: fascism and the students (excerpt from a lecture given in Bonn, 29 January 1969)

2004-02-12 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
right from the very start. So long as broadly organised resistance persists, there can be no question of a truly fascist dictatorship. The role and historic peculiarity of fascism was precisely to smash this resistance, and realise the total atomisation of the working class. Dictatorships have

Re: Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread joanna bujes
cs and occasional misdirected and fruitless violence evokes for me, somehow, today's USA. Gene Coyle Devine, James wrote: I wrote: > Ian, isn't that from the journal published by Holocaust deniers? (But then > again, who would be better to describe fascism than fascists?)

Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Eugene Coyle
ine, James wrote: I wrote: > Ian, isn't that from the journal published by Holocaust deniers? (But then > again, who would be better to describe fascism than fascists?) > Exactly. James Whisker's reading of the rise of Italian > fascism dovetails pretty > closely with the s

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35292] Re: RE: Re: Re: fascism? I wrote: > Ian, isn't that from the journal published by Holocaust deniers? (But then > again, who would be better to describe fascism than fascists?) > Exactly. James Whisker's reading of the rise of Italian > fa

Re: RE: Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35290] RE: Re: Re: fascism? > > > I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times, > > > unsuc

Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: [PEN-L:35286] Re: fascism? > I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times, > unsuccessfully. > ===

RE: Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35288] Re: Re: fascism? > > I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times, > > unsuccessfully. > > > > Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique.  Hoover had > a similar > > version.  Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush'

Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread W.R. Needham
Title: Re: fascism? This is available through my web page: From: Power versus the Public Good: The Conundrum of the Individual and Society 1966 Hagey Lecture  by John Ralston Saul "There is a whole new neo-corporatist school around.  There are a lot of people, I don't know whethe

Re: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Ian Murray
;s NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly different. > === A quick history of Italian fascism is at: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p--5_Whisker.html

RE: Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35286] Re: fascism? Michael Perelman writes: >I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times, unsuccessfully. >Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique.  Hoover had a similar version.  Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly d

Re: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Michael Perelman
s: RE: [PEN-L:35276] Rick Mercer says, Sorry America] > > W.R. Needham's message ends with a quote: > "Fascism should be more properly called corporatism, since it is the > merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini > > Just a couple of days a

RE: fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Tom Kruse
0 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEN-L:35281] fascism? [was: RE: [PEN-L:35276] Rick Mercer says, Sorry America] W.R. Needham's message ends with a quote: "Fascism should be more properly called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Musso

fascism?

2003-03-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: fascism? [was: RE: [PEN-L:35276] Rick Mercer says, Sorry America] W.R. Needham's message ends with a quote: "Fascism should be more properly called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini Just a couple of days ago, I had

kinder, gentler fascism

2003-02-12 Thread W.R. Needham
Title: kinder, gentler fascism I sent the following message from Dan Scanlan to our Progressive Caucus. Bill Moul in PolSCI commented: Dear Bob; have not read all of this BUT Hitler not elected to position of Chancellor. Appointed January 30, 1933 by President. Nazi Party never elected to

Re: Re: Jim Crow Fascism (was Re: bullying)

2002-10-04 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 10/4/02 4:26:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Tom, I just want to repeat something I said earlier.  Maybe you missed it, it is easy to do that on this prolific list.  Fascism is a concept as well as a word with historical-polical meaning.  You can

Re: Jim Crow Fascism (was Re: bullying)

2002-10-04 Thread Lisa Stolarski
Title: Re: [PEN-L:30870] Jim Crow Fascism (was Re: bullying) Hi Tom, I just want to repeat something I said earlier.  Maybe you missed it, it is easy to do that on this prolific list.  Fascism is a concept as well as a word with historical-polical meaning.  You can take the overall intent

Jim Crow Fascism (was Re: bullying)

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Walker
I welcome Melvin P.'s corrective to my own forgetting, which is itself systematic. Indeed, the overthrow of bourgeois democracy in the United States has always been founded on a *southern strategy* of anti-democratic terror that predates European fascism. To call it fascism is anachronistic

Re: Re: bullying/Fascism

2002-10-03 Thread Waistline2
e political basis for the consolidation of the modern police state (fascist) movement. The differences between Republicans and Democrats are sectarian and rivets on how to win elections. The problem is that American history needs to be more closely examined and understood. The tendency to equate fasc

Friendly Fascism, Counterterrorism and the embrace of Trotsky

2002-08-04 Thread F G
This is just bizarre. >From Military Review: Cashiering Freedom for Security: Lessons in Modern Terrorism J. Michael Brower "Reflecting on the indispensability of the terrorist technique in 1920, Leon Trotsky, the first Soviet Commissar for War, wrote about the issue while on a military train

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." --Benito Mussolini, Italian Duce

2002-07-04 Thread W.R. Needham
A while ago Michael asked me the source of this quote. I found a source on the following web page for John Ralston Saul's on "Corporatism: lack of democracy and legitimization of corruption" http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2001_500/desantis514/JRSaul.html -- Dr. W.R. Needham

On fascism

2002-05-11 Thread miychi
There are lot of argument on fascism now, But, in current international credit system, the term fascism seems to be inadequate. In 1930', there were strong but union-dependent social democrat and communist party. And on the other hand strong united financial capital existed in Europe and US

Defeat of fascism by popular front

2002-04-24 Thread Chris Burford
At 24/04/02 14:37 -0400, Louis wrote: > >CB: On this issue, what about the fact that fascism _was_ defeated by the >Popular Front. > >Do you mean the Allies? I wouldn't exactly call the military alliance >between Stalin and Churchill and Roosevelt a Popular Front. &qu

Re: RE: RE: Fascism

2001-12-12 Thread Carrol Cox
"Devine, James" wrote: > > > > > I would emphasize the role of modes of production -- and their incumbent > classes -- plus modes of reproduction ("families," kinship, etc.) over > "culture." The latter seems a bit vague to me. But then I'm not an > anthropologist. > "Culture" is a word in r

RE: RE: RE: RE: Fascism

2001-12-12 Thread Brownson, Jamil
ponses may seem parallel between Turkey & Argentina. More later. jb -Original Message- From: Sabri Oncu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:48 PM To: PEN-L Subject: [PEN-L:20613] RE: RE: RE: Fascism Jamil writes: > As well, I disagree ab

RE: RE: RE: Fascism

2001-12-12 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jamil writes: > As well, I disagree about modernization & globalization being homogenizing > factors any more than pre-modern cultures of poverty had certain > similarities on a physical plane, e.g., hunger is hunger. Yet even what is a > shared phenomenon such as "hunger' is perceived and respon

RE: RE: RE: Fascism

2001-12-12 Thread Brownson, Jamil
than in it, underlying cultural characteristics differ greatly, especially in private life -- de Certeau's practices & Lefebvre's rhythms or daily life. -Original Message- From: Devine, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:50 AM To: 

RE: RE: Fascism

2001-12-12 Thread Devine, James
ng statist responses to that modernity. > My arguement is just that varieties of corporate statism that > resemble a classic model of economic fascism stripped of nationalist or racialist > baggage has a certain epistemology and diffusion among > cultures that have a greater prope

RE: Fascism

2001-12-11 Thread Brownson, Jamil
y in belief systems and associated values. -Original Message- From: Keaney Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 1:12 AM To: PEN-L (E-mail) Subject: [PEN-L:20555] Fascism Jamil Brownson writes: Fascism is a particular type of corporate socialism, whereby

RE: Fascism

2001-12-11 Thread Brownson, Jamil
uement is just that varieties of corporate statism that resemble a classic model of economic fascism stripped of nationalist or racialist baggage has a certain epistemology and diffusion among cultures that have a greater propensity towards that type of power structure than among others. But herei

Re: Fascism

2001-12-11 Thread Michael Perelman
Fascism is not a very useful term. It is one of those it-means-whatever-I-think-it-means words. The Mussolini-Herbert Hoover vision does have business and government and, to a minor extent of some co-opted labor leaders collaborating. Fascism is also equated with totalitarianism. In addition

Fascism

2001-12-11 Thread Devine, James
d down with the > unenlightened radical frings who dredge up the sobriquet "Fascist" to heap > on every man in uniform or unsavoury political or plutocratic character? It's true that we should be careful with terms, especially one like "fascism" which has been misused by almo

Fascism

2001-12-11 Thread Keaney Michael
Jamil Brownson writes: Fascism is a particular type of corporate socialism, whereby the three fascii (pillars), capital, labour & government agree to run society according to a compact. = So this would be Cold War liberalism, would it not? See "Friendly Fascism: The New Face of

Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-28 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/26/00 06:22PM >>> At 03:15 PM 5/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >The Institute was originally financed by a wealthy Dutch rentier, proving >that one should never be afraid of reappropriating The Man's capital flow >to fight oppression. for better or for worse, al

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frankfurters,fascism and ecology (fwd)

2000-05-26 Thread md7148
Around the mid 1920s, with the increasing presence of Nazi political activism, Jews were substantially prohibited from participating in economic, social and political activities such as investing, teaching, working, forming associations and other citizenhip entitlements. Nazis came to power slow

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism andecology

2000-05-26 Thread Brad De Long
>Not republishing Behemoth because it was too Marxist is kind of icky, no? > >Doug Well, it's also substantially wrong... especially those parts where Neumann says that the Nazis have to keep the Jews around or else the people will turn on the bosses and the rulers... Brad DeLong --

Re: Re: Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Dennis R Redmond wrote: >On Fri, 26 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote: > >> Dennis, what do you make of the post-WW II Adorno, who took CIA money >> to rebuild the Frankfurt School, and refused to republish Neumann's >> Behemoth because it was too Marxist? > >The Institute was originally financed b

Re: Re: Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-26 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:15 PM 5/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >The Institute was originally financed by a wealthy Dutch rentier, proving >that one should never be afraid of reappropriating The Man's capital flow >to fight oppression. for better or for worse, almost all leftist organizations have relied on funds from

Re: Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-26 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Fri, 26 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote: > Dennis, what do you make of the post-WW II Adorno, who took CIA money > to rebuild the Frankfurt School, and refused to republish Neumann's > Behemoth because it was too Marxist? The Institute was originally financed by a wealthy Dutch rentier, provin

Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-26 Thread Doug Henwood
Dennis R Redmond wrote: >Nonsense. Walter Benjamin once wrote that the Revolution is really the >emergency handbrake on Progress. The greatness of the Frankfurt School is >that they insist that the objective tide of history is catastrophic, an >outrageous violence done to vulnerable bodies, and t

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-26 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Thu, 25 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: > Jay points out that the Frankfurters reject the notion that class conflict > is the locomotive of history, a basic Marxist theory. Nonsense. Walter Benjamin once wrote that the Revolution is really the emergency handbrake on Progress. The greatness of

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/25/00 02:48PM >>> The title of the article is "The Marriage of Radical Ecologies." In it he extols the English Romantic Poet William Blake and tries to show the Deep Ecologists that the Marxists are not as bad as they're cracked up to be. He says that the

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
teresting and I have no real disagreements with it) Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19570] Frankfurters, fascism and ecology >The Frankfurt

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Charles Brown
Nice essay , Lou. When you say: "Adorno and Horkheimer don't see things this way. They view the ills of the modern world as a function of the rationalist mode of thinking that the Enlightenment introduced. The Scientific Revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries tended to introduce a way of vie

Re: Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Louis Proyect
>I don't know much about the Frankfurters (at least not enough to write >seriously), but the path that Louis describes is similar in many ways to >that of Wilhelm Reich, a Marxist in the late 1920s and 1930s, who moved to >the US and ended up endorsing Eisenhower (and interesting innovations i

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Jim Devine
I don't know much about the Frankfurters (at least not enough to write seriously), but the path that Louis describes is similar in many ways to that of Wilhelm Reich, a Marxist in the late 1920s and 1930s, who moved to the US and ended up endorsing Eisenhower (and interesting innovations in m

Re: Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Jim Devine
Louis Proyect wrote: >So how did a tiny gang of fascists take power? it should also be pointed out that the Nazis had a political basis among white-collar workers and the lumpenproletariat. As the German economy fell after 1929, the latter became larger. The other factors that Louis lists are

Frankfurters, fascism and ecology

2000-05-25 Thread Louis Proyect
ge for cash payments from industrialists, they broke into socialist and trade union meetings and beat people into unconsciousness. This was what historical fascism looked like, rather than some form of Kantian philosophy run amok as argued by Adorno and Horkheimer. There were two socialist parties in Germa

Re: Creeping state fascism in Russia

2000-05-12 Thread Chris Burford
I traced the reference on the Guardian archive for yesterday. Extracts > Squads of machine gun-wielding police commandos in > balaclavas seized the main offices of Russia's > biggest > independent media mogul and crit

Creeping state fascism in Russia

2000-05-12 Thread Chris Burford
Last night the BBC reported a raid on an independent media group in Russia. None of the main sources I checked had details of the report. Presumably because it was kept of Berezhovsky's main media network. I did not get all the details but masked uniformed gunmen raided the offices and made th

Racism and Fascism in Austria

2000-04-08 Thread Chris Burford
Concrete evidence of racism and fascist trends in Austria - In view of the debate about Haider, I think the list should consider the facts and the arguments in the below. It was forwarded to me by the National Civil Rights Movement (started last year in Britain as a result of a number of cases o

Socio-biology and fascism/Richard Lewontin:biotechnology and global capitalism

2000-03-28 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
Steve Rosenthal How Science is Perverted to Build Fascism: A Marxist Critique of E.O. Wilson's Consilience: The Unity of Knowledge. For twenty-five years Harvard biologist Edward O. Wilson has put forward the idea that it is human nature to be fa

Socio-biology and Fascism at the front door:Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re:Human Nature: Born or Made? (gender) (fwd)

2000-03-28 Thread md7148
This "scholary" piece of work sounds like another Rushton of 2000. I don't know what ASA has done about the publisher of Rushton. To my knowledge, the progressive folks were demanding to ban the publisher from participating in ASA yearly meetings. They should also think about MIT... --- Mine Ay

Re: Programmatic questions on socialism and fascism (was 'thoughts on Haider')

2000-02-06 Thread Chris Burford
At 17:24 05/02/00 -0500, Louis Proyect wrote a long contribution which deals with some major programmatic questions. I will comment on the three most important. 1. The fight against fascism CB: >>This is the clearest statement of what is wrong with Louis's position. The >>cl

Re: M-TH: There is no premature anti-fascism

2000-02-06 Thread Chris Burford
ccording to posts forwarded by Louis Proyect to PEN-L). The danger of fascism exists in all bourgeois democracies. The imperialist bourgeoisie is not a reliable defender of bourgeois democracy even though petty bourgeois and bourgeois nationalist elements may be more immediately behind moves to fasci

[PEN-L:10994] Re: Re: Fascism

1999-09-15 Thread Ajit Sinha
Carrol Cox wrote: > My own best > guess as to what an American "Hitler" would look like is Jerry > Brown of California. Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha

[PEN-L:11004] Re: Re: Re: Fascism

1999-09-15 Thread Doug Henwood
Ajit Sinha wrote: >Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of >course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha Check out . Doug

[PEN-L:11000] RE: Re: Re: Fascism

1999-09-15 Thread Max Sawicky
. . . Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha No, you weren't. At that time he was the best hope of shaking up the primaries and averting the Clinton primary victory we have come to regret. I tr

[PEN-L:10973] Re: Fascism

1999-09-14 Thread Carrol Cox
ainst its appearance. Remember, one of the foundations for the joke about military intelligence being an oxymoron is the propensity of generals to be prepared to fight the last war but not the next war. Focusing too much on a carelessly defined "it" can have two separate disastrous consequenc

[PEN-L:10975] RE: Fascism

1999-09-14 Thread Craven, Jim
Hi Carrol, I agree with everything you have written 100%. That is why I also attached (to provoke thought not as any "proof")the comment by Bertram Gross about new forms of fascism under new historical/geopolitical/cultural/political/economic conditions not being a replica--in for

[PEN-L:10916] Fascism

1999-09-13 Thread Craven, Jim
e oligarchs. Anyone looking for black shirts, mass parties, or men on horseback will miss the telltale clues of creeping fascism. In any First World country of advanced capitalism, the new fascism will be colored by national and cultural heritage, ethnic and religious composition, formal political structu

[PEN-L:9993] Re: Re: Fascism (was TINAF ...

1999-08-13 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Stephen E Philion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/12/99 07:35PM >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Charles Brown wrote: > > > >>> Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/12/99 04:24PM >>> > (1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of

[PEN-L:9979] Marx, Fascism and Rhetoric

1999-08-12 Thread Michael Perelman
Marx's point in writing Capital was to do away with rhetoric. Rather than pointing to the horrors of capitalism and pointing to evil acts of specific people or even classes, he attempted to show how the system as a whole worked according to its own laws of motion. Capitalists were merely charact

[PEN-L:9969] Re: Fascism (was TINAF ...

1999-08-12 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/12/99 04:24PM >>> (1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of course it can) is not the same as the question of whether Fascism *will* or is apt to happen here -- the latter question depends partly on the *need* the

[PEN-L:9965] Fascism (was TINAF ...

1999-08-12 Thread Carrol Cox
(1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of course it can) is not the same as the question of whether Fascism *will* or is apt to happen here -- the latter question depends partly on the *need* the u.s. ruling class might feel to transform the most successful machine for repression

[PEN-L:9977] Re: Re: Fascism (was TINAF ...

1999-08-12 Thread Stephen E Philion
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Charles Brown wrote: > > > >>> Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/12/99 04:24PM >>> > (1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of course it > can) is not the same as the question of whether Fascism *will* or is >

[PEN-L:7844] "social fascism"

1999-06-09 Thread Charles Brown
lt by this term) and socialists, one must not overuse much of the historical hindsight which we now have. The communists could not be imputed with knowing then that the Nazis would become the world historic criminals against peace and humanity that they became. The originator of fascism was Mussol

[PEN-L:7737] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Jim Devine
I don't see this discussion going anywhere (but luckily not into invective), so I'm going to stop my contributions to it. At 02:02 PM 6/4/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/04/99 12:12PM >>> >Charles writes: >I don&#

[PEN-L:7729] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
of course were puzzled why the French tourist would pay a perfect stranger a compliment. Henry Charles Brown wrote: > >>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/04/99 12:12PM >>> > Charles writes: >I don't agree that "fascism" has lost value from overuse

[PEN-L:7728] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
r, financial crime dwarfs petty crimes. In the the decade of 1980s, financial crimes, S&L crisis, Milkin, Boesky, Soloman, etc, etc, adds up to billions which the tax payer footed the bill. But note that most of the convicted perpetrators were of poor and disadavantage and ethnic backgounds.

[PEN-L:7727] Re: Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/04/99 12:12PM >>> Charles writes: >I don't agree that "fascism" has lost value from overuse. I would say it is underused and misapplied.< I guess we have to agree to disagree on that, but I'll summarize my

[PEN-L:7696] Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/03/99 06:36PM >>> Charles writes: >I disagree with getting rid of the word "fascism" itself, too, because there is still a danger that at some point the financial oligarchy will become desparate and try to institute

[PEN-L:7714] Re: Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-04 Thread Jim Devine
Charles writes: >I don't agree that "fascism" has lost value from overuse. I would say it is underused and misapplied.< I guess we have to agree to disagree on that, but I'll summarize my position: using the word "fascism" too much can be like referring t

[PEN-L:7662] Re: Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-03 Thread Jim Devine
Charles writes: >I disagree with getting rid of the word "fascism" itself, too, because there is still a danger that at some point the financial oligarchy will become desparate and try to institute wholesale, open terrorist rule again. This is one reason, the U.S. will not outlaw f

[PEN-L:7636] Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-03 Thread Charles Brown
ye, does not cause an important confusion of the use of the term today. In fact most people today, don't know about that history. I disagree with getting rid of the word "fascism" itself, too, because there is still a danger that at some point the financial oligarchy will becom

[PEN-L:7628] Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-03 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/03/99 11:33AM >>> At 10:01 AM 6/3/99 -0400, Charles wrote: >This is social fascism, brutalization through economic policy as deadly as >war in the long run. Charles, please _don't_ use this terminology ("social fasc

[PEN-L:7634] Re: Re: "social fascism"

1999-06-03 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >Charles, please _don't_ use this terminology ("social fascism"). It has a >long and bad history: Charles responds: >As far as I can tell, the term "democracy" has a long and worse >history than "social fascist", but I am not about to

[PEN-L:7621] "social fascism"

1999-06-03 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:01 AM 6/3/99 -0400, Charles wrote: >This is social fascism, brutalization through economic policy as deadly as >war in the long run. Charles, please _don't_ use this terminology ("social fascism"). It has a long and bad history: as far as I can tell, it was first

[PEN-L:6420] Sanders v. progressives on NATO bombing; Crisis in Yugoslavia& It's Relation to Global Fascism (long)

1999-05-04 Thread Michael Eisenscher
IN THIS MESSAGE: Sanders v. progressives on NATO bombing; Crisis in Yugoslavia & It's Relation to Global Fascism (long) People interested in the response of Bernie Sanders political constituency (at a Sanders Town Meeting) to his pro-war stance on the U.S./NATO bombing of Yugoslavia m

[PEN-L:321] fascism

1998-07-28 Thread James Michael Craven
Every case of fascism--past and present--has faced the problem of how to construct ultra-repressive instruments and policies that effectively serve the interests of a tiny minority--the ultra-rich--while forging a mass social base of supporters and shock troops who objectively could never be

[PEN-L:6136] Re: Prelude To Fascism (Canada)

1996-09-12 Thread Christopher Niggle
strong opposition nationally in the form > of the resistance against their imposed anti-social offensive. > These governments are increasingly incapable of governing. When a > government can no longer govern, it resorts to fascism and > militarization of the economy. > The esta

[PEN-L:6130] Prelude To Fascism (Canada)

1996-09-12 Thread SHAWGI TELL
sed anti-social offensive. These governments are increasingly incapable of governing. When a government can no longer govern, it resorts to fascism and militarization of the economy. The establishment of bootcamps thus serves two aims: first, to prepare the youth as the canon fodder for inter-imperi

[PEN-L:1828] Nostalgia for fascism redux (was Polanyi vs. Hayek)

1995-12-09 Thread Tom Walker
A little over a month ago, I posted a message criticizing the reflex (and unreflective) use of the word "fascism" to describe any right-wing totalitarian ideology that comes along. It's a little like calling any terminal disease "cancer". Although it may effectively e

[PEN-L:1224] Re: Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-02 Thread Jim Jaszewski
On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Doug Henwood wrote: > >As distasteful as it may sound, has it occured to anyone to read the "other > >side"? > > I highly recommend Mein Kampf, though I don't have the time to be its > official representative. _Now_ I can suggest my reading `The Memoirs of General G

[PEN-L:1217] Re: Fascism ...

1995-11-01 Thread MScoleman
Since I am doing a paper for the aea which compares nineteenth century charity policies with the contract on america, i went and actually plunked down money, cash, on newt gingrich's contract on america. i appologized to the clerk at barnes and noble for buying the book (like she really gave a da

[PEN-L:1215] Re: Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
At 10:56 AM 11/1/95, Tom Walker wrote: >As distasteful as it may sound, has it occured to anyone to read the "other >side"? I highly recommend Mein Kampf, though I don't have the time to be its official representative. Doug -- Doug Henwood Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-

[PEN-L:1213] Re: Nostalgia for fascism

1995-11-01 Thread Doug Henwood
At 10:48 AM 11/1/95, Tom Walker wrote: >I came across a frighteningly honest essay on von Hayek that illustrates the >psychology of the new ideology. The essay complained that Hayek, "didn't go >far enough" in recognizing the inherent evil of altruism. Presumably, even >"enlightened self-interest

[PEN-L:1209] Re: Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-01 Thread Tom Walker
msciPre-prison writings >Guerin Fascism and Big Business >Hitler, etc. to be determined >Jackel Hitler's Blueprint for Power >TrotskyStruggle against Fascism >Balibar/Po

[PEN-L:1208] Nostalgia for fascism

1995-11-01 Thread Tom Walker
My objection to the term "fascism" is that it understates the perfidy of the new ideology. My thesis could only be fully stated in a book titled something like _Neo-liberal Stalinism and the Post-Capitalist Mega-State_. But here's a few thoughts: What we have is an anti-s

[PEN-L:1201] Re: Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-01 Thread Louis N Proyect
To su*scribe to the Marxism list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "su*scribe marxism your name". On Wed, 1 Nov 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I can't tell if the post I got was truncated by the Demon Who Lives in > the Internet, but I saw no information on how to subscr

[PEN-L:1199] Re: Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-01 Thread GC-ETCHISON, MICHAEL
I can't tell if the post I got was truncated by the Demon Who Lives in the Internet, but I saw no information on how to subscribe to (lurk in?) the seminar. If the original post did have that information, please just pass it to me directly, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks.

[PEN-L:1197] Fascism cyberseminar

1995-11-01 Thread Louis N Proyect
The Marxism list has been in an intense discussion recently over whether the NOI, the militias, etc. constitute "fascism". We decided to launch a study group to help give us the theoretical framework to answer these sorts of questions. Here is our syllabus

[PEN-L:340] class & fascism

1995-09-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Here's something I just posted to the Marxism list, inspired by some recent threads there. But it also touches on some classic PEN-L concerns. Subjects of two recent threads here - fascism & the class/identity relation - are covered in a very interesting article in the latest New Le

fascism in russian labour movement (fwd.) (fwd)

1994-11-08 Thread D Shniad
Forwarded message: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:01:31 EST Reply-To: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: norma jo baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: fascism in russian la

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