Re: [PEN-L] RE: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jim wrote: "As Doug notes, the question of how the surplus-value is utilized is crucial. Paul Baran also asked this question." Agreed. Mandel discussed this very specifically in a 1967 paper "Primitive accumulation and the industrialisation of the third world" (continuing his analysis from Marxis

Re: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
In a paper he will give this Monday at the International Institute of Social History in Amsterdam, LSE Professor Patrick O'Brien argues: "With the aid of data (rarely cited by Mandel to support his representations) European economic history has been reconfigured as one of gradual and continuous ri

RE: [PEN-L] Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Devine, James
It seems to me that there are _three_ forms of surplus-value being discussed. (1) "standard" Marxian surplus-value, i.e., the excess labor done beyond that needed to cover the costs of hiring proletarians under the capitalist mode of production. (2) the surplus-product of exploited direct prod

Re: Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Louis Proyect
I'm really afraid of stirring up a hornet's nest, but what was done with the proceeds of the looting of the proto-colonies? Was it re-invested productively, or squandered on luxury consumption? Doug For PEN-L'ers interested in these sorts of questions, I *highly recommend* J. Banaji's article "Isla

Re: Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread Doug Henwood
I'm really afraid of stirring up a hornet's nest, but what was done with the proceeds of the looting of the proto-colonies? Was it re-invested productively, or squandered on luxury consumption? Doug

Gernot Köhler on Mandel/Brenner

2003-11-08 Thread michael
Forwarded from Gernot Köhler -- Louis Proyect circulated an interesting quotation from Ernest Mandel, Marxist Economic Theory, recently (see below). Mandel's expression of "two forms of surplus-value" caught my attention. The second form of surplus value a la Mandel refers to the well-