>I appreciate that we have avoided a rehash of the market socialism debate.
With
>regard to the surplus, many traditional societies consumed the surplus in
the
>form of a ceremony at the end of the year rather than engaging in
accumulation.
In the investment banking community we used to call this
>This isn't a market, unless any system that responds to demand is a market.
>In which case any but the most obtuse sort of planning is a "market" system.
>It's not what any market socialist means by a market. What we mean is that
>the producers produce for profit, and sell their stuff toothers
>
>How about something like this, at least for produce markets:
>
>The land is worked in common and the produce stored. People take from the
>stores according to their needs. Planting will be adjusted according to
>whether there are shortages or surpluses of products. These are truly free
>market
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:27780] Re: Market Socialism - an apology already
>
>It seems I'm not a market socialist after all, jks. Please forgive my
>treachery -
I appreciate that we have avoided a rehash of the market socialism debate. With
regard to the surplus, many traditional societies consumed the surplus in the
form of a ceremony at the end of the year rather than engaging in accumulation.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State
>>
>>How can you run markets without a profit motive? jks
>
>
>It is common in most human societies that have ever existed to attempt to
>accumulate a surplus,
Name one. The guilds and mechants of feudal times attempted to make profits,
as did Roman traders, Arab caravaners, etc. They were not
At 09/07/02 20:00 +, you wrote:
>>It seems I'm not a market socialist after all, jks. Please forgive my
>>treachery - I cannot abide the profit motive - I thought a market
>>socialist believed in the market as a central means of determining
>>economic development. My mistake. Will read th
>
>It seems I'm not a market socialist after all, jks. Please forgive my
>treachery - I cannot abide the profit motive - I thought a market socialist
>believed in the market as a central means of determining economic
>development. My mistake. Will read the archives.
>
>Sé
>
How can you run ma
Surely one can realistically hold the argument that we don't want to
be a market society (based on the notion of capitlaist individualism
and what that implies) and still hold to the notion of markets as
allocation devices suitable in some instances in societies that are
communitarian.
>Mart
Martin,
My apologies for my ignorance.
It seems I'm not a market socialist after all, jks. Please forgive my
treachery - I cannot abide the profit motive - I thought a market socialist
believed in the market as a central means of determining economic
development. My mistake. Will read the ar
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