Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Ted Winslow
Title: Marx's materialism Perhaps a discussion of the relation of Marx's materialism to scientific materialism will be less emotionally provocative than a discussion of the scientific materialist explanation of schizophrenia.   What follows examines the consistency of a particul

Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Louis Proyect
ntly for internal relations, self-determination >and final causation. Marx's materialism does the same thing, in my judgment. Interesting. This is the first attempt I've seen on or off the Internet to make an amalgam between Marx and Whitehead outside of David Harvey's "Justice, Na

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Ted Winslow wrote: > > To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way > is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slightest ideas what this post is about because (a) I don't know who said t

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Mathew Forstater
Louis: >This is the first attempt I've seen on or off the Internet to >make an amalgam between Marx and Whitehead Russell Kleinbach, 1982, _Marx Via Process: Whitehead's Potential Contribution to Marxian Social Theory_, D.C.: University Press of America. Also, not Whitehead, but what I consider

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Mathew Forstater
My message was narrower in focus than Marx's method and dialectical materialism, etc., focusing rather on the Whitehead-Marx connection and related programs. On a more general note, it has been a long time since I looked at it, but I remember liking: Sayer, Derek, _Marx's method : ideology, scie

Re: Marx's materialism (fwd)

2000-04-02 Thread md7148
ubject: [PEN-L:17644] Re: Marx's materialism Ted Winslow wrote: > > To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way > is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slig

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Rod Hay
I would add that to discuss Marx's materialism, one would have to take into account the twentieth century contributions to the understanding of 'matter' and 'energy' Second, it not an unusual position in twentieth century social science to admit the dialectic between m

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Louis Proyect
>It's scary- I'm getting old enough to make going back to my dissertation >bibliography nostalgic. Louis- wasn't this what you were also doing once at >the Graduate Faculty of the New School?? Naw. Staying out of the war in Vietnam was more like it. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://ww

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Rod Hay
And I must forceably put forward the work of Lawrence Krader. The Dialectics of Civil Society Treatise of Social Labor as the most significant outline of Marxist materialism in the second half of the twentieth century. Rod Mathew Forstater wrote: > Louis: > > >This is the first attempt I've s

Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Ted Winslow
Carrol Cox wrote: > I consider Ted's ideas on psychology not so much wrong as not > worth discussing. I wonder if we can find a common ground which will > enable us to state our disagreements. I could perceive no common ground > in his post on Freud/Klein etc. "We murder to dissect." "when your

Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:05 PM 04/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I would add that to discuss Marx's materialism, one would have to take into >account the twentieth century contributions to the understanding of 'matter' >and 'energy' > >Second, it not an unusual position in twenti

Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Ted Winslow
directly pointed to in the third thesis on Feuerbach. The best critical discussions of scientific materialism in relation to 20th century developments in science that I know are Whitehead's e.g. Science and the Modern World. He elaborates an alternative ontological foundation for science that allo

Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-04 Thread Mathew Forstater
Interesting, because Krader's work on nomadic pastoralists is also excellent. -Original Message- From: Rod Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:31 PM Subject: [PEN-L:17694] Re: Re: Marx's materialism >

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-03 Thread Rod Hay
materialism? How do the > exponents of evolutionary psychology claim to be able to know this about > their ideas? > > This problem is indirectly pointed to in the third thesis on Feuerbach. > > The best critical discussions of scientific materialism in relation to 20th > cent