RE: Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Yoshie: Erase _contradiction_ from history as you (unlike Marx, Eric Williams, John Ashworth, Thomas Laqueur) do, and you can't explain any _change_ (from one mode of production to another, as well as within one mode of production). ==

Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/00 01:51AM Mat: I don't seem to be able to get this message through, probably I am just not being clear, but *when I refer to the Enslavement Industry and Trade I in no way am limiting that to the southern plantations*. So the total system has to be considered. The

RE: Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-11-01 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/01/00 09:25AM For example, we can understand the transition from Reconstruction-era institutions to Jim Crow as a change in the nature of the capitalist racial formation, rooted partly in requirements of capitalism, but without reductionism or economism. Denying that the

Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/00 09:24PM Marx argues that while slavery facilitated so-called primitive accumulation, eventually it became an *economically backward* institution, necessarily dependent upon extensive increase of new territories with a naturally fertile soil, *not* upon

RE: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Forstater, Mathew
tional" African economy is way off, in my view. O'Connor makes an important contribution in the tradition of Samir Amin. Mat -Original Message- From: Yoshie Furuhashi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:3756] Marx, Slaver

RE: Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Forstater, Mathew
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:3822] Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness Mat: This idea that racism and racist institutions are "irrational" with respect to capitalist "rationality" is dangerously close to Gary Becker's original view about discrimination, and i

Re: RE: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:21 AM 10/31/00 -0600, you wrote: Let me recommend Jim O'Connor's work on "uneven and combined development," where he argues that combined development such as "19th century working conditions and 21st century technology" or South African bantustans where subsistence agriculture

RE: Re: RE: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Forstater, Mathew
ne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:3825] Re: RE: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness At 10:21 AM 10/31/00 -0600, you wrote: Let me recommend Jim O'Connor's work on "uneven and combined development," where he

Re: Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Mat: I don't seem to be able to get this message through, probably I am just not being clear, but *when I refer to the Enslavement Industry and Trade I in no way am limiting that to the southern plantations*. So the total system has to be considered. The total system was supported by the

Marx, Slavery, Economic Backwardness

2000-10-30 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Marx argues that while slavery facilitated so-called primitive accumulation, eventually it became an *economically backward* institution, dependent upon extensive increase of new territories with a naturally fertile soil, *not* upon capital-intensive cultivation. It goes without saying that