Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread michael
Regarding your first point, authors according to Biernacki, were paid by the page. Goethe was upset that he was paid identically with the creator of some trash. The only way to win an economic advantage was to produce more pages per hour. Perhaps, this can lead to the creation of Internet com

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Gil writes: > But Michael, "number of pages produced" is a measure of labor > performed, not labor power. I was going to say something similar, but held off, since Michael doesn't seem to like discussions of Marxian value theory. Note that "number of pages produced" isn't a very good measure

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Gil Skillman
But Michael, "number of pages produced" is a measure of labor performed, not labor power. And in Marxian terms, "the value produced by labor" is to some extent redundant, since to Marx labor *is* the substance of value, no? It would be more accurate to say on the basis of your example that the Bri

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't know about Dickens, but yes, even Marx complained about having to make his book long for the damn German publisher. On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 09:10:13AM -0800, Devine, James wrote: > > that would explain the verbose style of German authors? > > but wasn't Dickens paid by the word? > > Jim D

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
>in German[y] publishers paid authors by the number of pages they produced rather than by the sales of the books.< that would explain the verbose style of German authors? but wasn't Dickens paid by the word? Jim D.

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Michael Perelman
In a way, the violinists' demands are not as strange as they seem. Richard Biernacki has argued that the Germans and the British had a different conception of labor -- the Germans historically measured labor by something like Marx's labor power; the British, by the value produced by labor. For exa

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Shane Mage
MAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value JD wrote: "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." -- Mark Twain (paraphrased). Mark Twain was making a perceptive comment on contemporary American standards of musical performance, not a philistine denegr

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value > > > JD wrote: > "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." -- Mark Twain > (paraphrased). > > Mark Twain was making a perceptive comment on contemporary > American standards of musical performa

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Shane Mage
JD wrote: "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." -- Mark Twain (paraphrased). Mark Twain was making a perceptive comment on contemporary American standards of musical performance, not a philistine denegration of one of the greatest composers ever. Shane Mage "When we read on a printed page the

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Devine, James
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value To be honest, this is just more evidence of German overmanning. Does an orchestra really need two trombone players, a timpanist and an oboist, each of

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread dsquared
> > From: michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:47 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value > > > > > > We're being fiddled, say violinists > > > > AP, Berlin > > W

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-25 Thread Devine, James
h 25, 2004 7:47 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value > > > We're being fiddled, say violinists > > AP, Berlin > Wednesday March 24, 2004 > The Guardian > > Violinists at a German orchestra are suing for a pay rise on &g

Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-25 Thread Shane Mage
Isn't this being published a week too early? We're being fiddled, say violinists AP, Berlin Wednesday March 24, 2004 The Guardian Violinists at a German orchestra are suing for a pay rise on the grounds that they play many more notes per concert than their musical colleagues - a litigation that t

More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-25 Thread michael
We're being fiddled, say violinists AP, Berlin Wednesday March 24, 2004 The Guardian Violinists at a German orchestra are suing for a pay rise on the grounds that they play many more notes per concert than their musical colleagues - a litigation that the orchestra's director yesterday called "abs