Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread md7148
I am talking about elections under capitalism.. How about electing your own union reps? Officials? Is that something we can get rid of after the rev. also? NO! Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI

Political Constraints, was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Charles Brown
Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/22/00 11:40PM But certainly no fundamental change of social systems will ever be approved by an election -- either prior to the change or in the years immediately after the first break. I draw no immediate conclusions from this premise -- except perhaps that

Re: Political Constraints, was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Original Message- From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:40 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19437] Political Constraints, was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: The election of

Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
om: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19440] Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) elections? I am not quite sure about the meaning. Which elections can you show that can reall

Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread md7148
Marx did not explain the features of a future socalist state in details. The only state he came closer to defend was Paris Commune. Lenin's view of the state derives its interpretation from a close reading of 18th Brumier and Civil War in France in _State and Revolution_ as everybody

Re: Political Constraints,was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/00 03:04PM Marx did not explain the features of a future socalist state in details. The only state he came closer to defend was Paris Commune. Lenin's view of the state derives its interpretation from a close reading of 18th Brumier and Civil War in France in _State

Re: Political Constraints,was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread md7148
] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19440] Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) elections? I am not quite sure about the meaning. Which elections can you show that can really allow me to participate

Re: Political Constraints,was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread md7148
true(( Mine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/00 03:04PM Marx did not explain the features of a future socalist state in details. The only state he came closer to defend was Paris Commune. Lenin's view of the state derives its interpretation from a close reading of 18th Brumier and Civil War in

Re: Re: Political Constraints,was Re::Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ed.. Mine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: [PEN-L:19440] Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) elections? I am not quite sure about the meaning. Which electio

Re: Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Jim Devine
I grant that much of the time elections are a pathetic waste of time. But, sometimes they actually do lead to changes in what is happening. The election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the US is certainly one example. The elections in the Scandinavian countries that brought Social

Political Constraints, was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread Carrol Cox
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: The election of December saw a victory by the Socialist Revolutionary Party. Lenin had no good excuse on Marxist grounds for denying them power. I don't quite see how "Marxist grounds" bear one way or the other on this question. There is not that direct

Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread md7148
elections? I am not quite sure about the meaning. Which elections can you show that can really allow me to participate in the selection of people who run the society".I do not elect bankers!.I do not elect corporations!.I do not elect multinationals!.They are there illegitimately (even judged

Re: Political Constraints,was Re: :Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)

2000-05-22 Thread Stephen E Philion
How about electing your own union reps? Officials? Is that something we can get rid of after the rev. also? Steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Mon, 22 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: