Re: Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doug, Gee, Solow and Samuelson never thought of it either, when defending the idea of the production function. Luckily they had Joan Robinson to call it to their attention. But you and I are talking about different profit rates, as Daniel Davies has just pointed out. Gene Coyle Doug Henwood w

RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Max Sawicky
I think you missed Doug's sarcasm, or I have missed his seriousness. the public sector people are quite well educated. sometimes they are given things to do that are impossible to do well. but they still have to do them. they are not paid as well as some in the private sector, but you would be

RE: Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Davies, Daniel
To be fair, although there are known serious problems with depreciation, the WorldCom and Global Crossing affaires aren't really relevant to the statistics Doug quoted. The assets of WorldCom and Global Crossing are worth exactly what they were worth before the meltdown, as stock market movement

Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Eugene Coyle wrote: >How do you adjust for the change in "capital" in telecom companies, before and >after the melt-down? What's the denominator? Gee, better contact the folks at the Bureau of Economic Analysis. I bet they never thought of this! In fact, I'm sure they've never thought of many

Re: RE: Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Louis Proyect
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:48:16 +0100, Davies, Daniel wrote: >I take your point here (that is, if I understand >you correctly as saying that we' re talking >about imperialism rather than poverty per se >here). But would you have said the same thing >about Spain twenty years ago? No. Spain had a rat

RE: Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-19 Thread Davies, Daniel
-Original Message- From: Louis Proyect [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 April 2002 19:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:25116] Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates >What do you meant that poor countries accrue interest liabilities that they >don't pay? I wa

Re: Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-18 Thread michael perelman
Gene, this is one of the great secrets of economics. Of course, everyone knows, as Jim mentioned, that we have no theory of depreciation, but we go on pretending that out data is of good quality. Eugene Coyle wrote: > How do you adjust for the change in "capital" in telecom companies, before an

Re: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-18 Thread Eugene Coyle
How do you adjust for the change in "capital" in telecom companies, before and after the melt-down? What's the denominator? World Com Global Crossing etc. I vote with the Cambridge UK folks. Max Sawicky wrote: > but according to the Cambridge UK folks, you can't measure > capital stock t

RE: RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-18 Thread Devine, James
Max writes:>but according to the Cambridge UK folks, you can't measure capital stock to begin with . . .< you can measure aggregate capital stocks (K), simply by multiplying price times quantity of each type and then adding up, but the question is what that measurement means. The Cambridge UK fol

Re: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Daniel Davies: >> Isn't it the case that more money flows from the poor countries >>to the rich ones than vice versa? Repatriated profits, interest, etc. >>are greater than than the inflow of money to the poor countries. > >Vastly depends on your definition of a "poor country". If you mean >no

RE: RE: Profit Rates -- From Michael Yates

2002-04-18 Thread Max Sawicky
but according to the Cambridge UK folks, you can't measure capital stock to begin with . . . To me the interest rate(s) is more meaningful, since at least it is observed and is the object of literal transactions, unlike "capital." profits are susceptible to what I suspect are flaky inventory val