Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Eric Nilsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: [PEN-L:26600] RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus > Doug wrote, > > > > I was just citing the conve

RE: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Eric Nilsson
Doug wrote, > > I was just citing the convention of the NIPAs. Conceptually, the > people who make up households have to be the producers and recipients > of everything, since corps are just legal fictions, no? It is a fiction that corporations are "quasi-persons." Regardless of that, corporation

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Doug wrote, >> The concept is that households are >> the ultimate holder of business debts - financial institutions are >> just intermediaries. > >It depends on your theory, I guess. What you say above is reasonable from the >point of view of some economists. I was j

RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-05 Thread Davies, Daniel
PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:26582] Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus Eric Nilsson wrote: >Doug wrote, >> Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's >> an expense for business and an income for households. > >Yes indeed that is the case. I guess

Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread enilsson
Doug wrote, > The concept is that households are > the ultimate holder of business debts - financial institutions are > just intermediaries. It depends on your theory, I guess. What you say above is reasonable from the point of view of some economists. But in the crude marxist theory I work w

Re: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Doug Henwood
Eric Nilsson wrote: >Doug wrote, >> Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's >> an expense for business and an income for households. > >Yes indeed that is the case. I guess such a number doesn't add to capitalist >surplus. No but it's a subtraction from it. The conc

RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:26574] RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus   > Doug wrote, > > Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's > > an expense for business and an income for households. Eric wrote: > Yes indeed that is the case. I guess such a number doesn't > add to cap

RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Eric Nilsson
Max wrote, > Part of profits are paid to households too. > > I don't see how you can include profits but not net interest paid. I feel like Reagan, who allegedly was convinced by the last person he talked with ... I think I now would include net interest--these payments go to persons (as a paym

RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: Estimating Surplus

2002-06-04 Thread Max Sawicky
Part of profits are paid to households too. I don't see how you can include profits but not net interest paid. mbs > Doug wrote, > > Net interest is figured as what biz pays to households, right? It's > > an expense for business and an income for households. > > Yes indeed that is the case. I