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Barkley- All very interesting. I know of Bordieu, but I admit I tried to
start
reading some of his stuff a few times and just
e presumably the justification for seniority pay scales.
Barkley Rosser
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Mat,
I have res
Yoshie,
Only if you get in with the friends of the editors
by saying nice things about their stuff... :-).
Barkley Rosser
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That is ok, the "in the begenning" clause was meant
anecdotaly in reference to a sid. hook understanding
of the matter. of course you know this is a matter of
definitions and it it is not easy to squeeze this in
one sentence, so best to skim over that in this
context. certainly you would agree
That is ok, the "in the beginning" clause was meant
anecdotally in reference to a Sid. Hook understanding
of the matter. of course you know this is a matter of
definitions and it is not easy to squeeze this in one
sentence, so best to skim over that in this context.
Certainly you would agree with
n Hanly
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That is ok, the "in the begenning" clause was meant
anecdotaly in reference to a sid. hook understandi
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jbr wrote:
But, how does one commidify "trust" or
"community"?
Corporate "goodwill" is close to this, no? It is frequently understood to be
the "good name" of a company above and beyond the book value of its co
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That is ok, the "in the begenning" clause was
meant
anecdotaly in reference to a sid. hook
understanding
of the matter. of course you know this is a matter
of
defin
is the usefulness of the term here?
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From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Speaking of the evolution of terms, the word
capital
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Formalist anthropologists like Schneider often note this derivation in
arguing that cattle are 'wealth' in pastoralist communities like the
Maasai.
However, the only term in Maasai langu
At 01:30 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
With regard to Putnam, who likes bowling leagues,
bridge clubs, choral societies, and the like, I once heard him
give a talk in which he declared that there is a better than 90%
correlation between the level of memberships in choral societies
in the 1870s in
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 01:30 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
With regard to Putnam, who likes bowling leagues,
bridge clubs, choral societies, an
.c." and
maybe correlated with broader social problems if they have
conflicts with other groups, e.g. African Americans in Brooklyn.
Barkley Rosser
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although i participate in pen-l, i am also on another email list of which i am
the only member. at first i didn't feel that comfortable with it, but the
conversation is generally congenial and flaming has been kept to a minimum
(although i can get snippy at times). at one time i considered
Hmmm and peccatum in Latin means sinIs there a connection :)
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Speaking
Jim,
So, you prefer "salience" to "social capital"?
Barkley Rosser
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sense.
Barkley Rosser
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couldn't this all lead to some reductio absurdisms. food is necessary to
live
Of course there is yet another annoying idea
floating around that indeed all factors of production
are just sub-species of capital, at least those that
are not just immediately used up in production.
The point is that their future returns can be capitalized
into a present value, even if like
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Of course there is yet another annoying idea
floating around that indeed all factors of production
are just sub-species of capital, at least those that
are not just immediately used up in production.
The point is that their fut
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It reminds me of the evolution of the word "rent" in the 'discipline'. Now
everything is "capital
I have a problem with the term "social capital." First, in economics they are
already using the term "human capital" for labor power, with rational
individuals "investing" to seek maximum return over time, etc. Lester Thurow
actually pointed out some of the problems with this years ago, but
At 10:20 AM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote:
have a problem with the term "social capital." First, in economics they are
already using the term "human capital" for labor power, with rational
individuals "investing" to seek maximum return over time, etc. Lester Thurow
actually pointed out some of the
Jim Devine mentioned the wierdness of human capital. Here is a short section from
Class Warfare in the Information Age.
In order to come to grips with this expanded vision of the labor force,
economists devised a new concept. Specifically, they invented a new resource,
which they called,
Mat,
I fully agree that there are serious problems with
the concept of "social capital." I have just received
a book review by Steve Durlauf to be published in
JEBO that is positively scathing regarding the definitional
and measurement problems (he accepts human capital).
However, I
isn't this what Clinton called "triangulation," using the other major
party's rhetoric and programs to justify one's own programs? And should the
Dem/GOP overlap be surprising, given how similar the two parties are?
At 01:43 PM 2/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Anyway, apparently the
Jim Devine wrote:
isn't this what Clinton called "triangulation," using the other
major party's rhetoric and programs to justify one's own programs?
And should the Dem/GOP overlap be surprising, given how similar the
two parties are?
At 01:43 PM 2/13/01 -0500, you wrote:
Anyway,
At 03:05 PM 2/13/01 -0500, Doug wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
isn't this what Clinton called "triangulation," using the other major
party's rhetoric and programs to justify one's own programs? And should
the Dem/GOP overlap be surprising, given how similar the two parties are?
At 01:43 PM 2/13/01
labor power is a commodity. that is different than labor power being capital. a
commodity is anything bought and sold in a market. the money used to purchase
labor power is part of the total capital. but labor power is not capital. right?
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labor power is a commodity. that is different than labor power being capital. a
commodity is anything bought and sold in a market. the money used to purchase
labor power is part of the total capital. but labor power is not capital. right?
CB:
Well, of course in a very crude sense, what
yuppies call "networking" may well be simply a
matter of accumulating social capital. Certainly
to the extent that such networking leads not only
to "contacts," but to mutual backscratching and
quid pro quos. The latter certainly look like
in an organization per se.
Barkley Rosser
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jbr wrote:
But, how does one commidify "trust" or
Once you leave the realm of Adam Smith's beaver and deer, everything gets
fuzzy. I mentioned goodwill as another example. While a piece of
software used as capital may resemble a machine more than Mickey Mouse, on
the accountant's books such distinctions can disappear.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at
Michael Perelman wrote:
With the increasing importance of intellectual property, economics is
rapidly rethinking what is and what is not capital. The inclusion of
software as a capital expense is indicative of the reconceptualization of
capital.
Don't you agree that there's something
001 3:08 PM
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I should make clear, if my earlier post did not, that my problem is with
the
word "capital." Capital is very important to the study of capitalism (duh)
and
we can't just go throwing it around all over. It also is repuls
jbr wrote:
But, how does one commidify "trust" or
"community"?
Corporate "goodwill" is close to this, no? It is frequently understood to be the "good
name" of a company above and beyond the book value of its combined assets. It is
frequently recorded on balance sheets (and even depreciated),
Mat wrote:
labor power is a commodity. that is different than labor power being
capital. a commodity is anything bought and sold in a market. the money
used to purchase labor power is part of the total capital. but labor power
is not capital. right?
labor-power _becomes_ part of capital
some 'new'
institutionalist stuff)?
Let's start there.
Mat
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Mat,
Actually among the very f
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Barkley- All very interesting. I know of Bordieu, but I admit I tried to
start
reading some of his stuff a few times and just couldn't get into it. Either
I
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From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Well, of course in a very crude sense, what
yuppies call "networking" may well be simply a
matter of accumulating social
http://www.gwu.edu/~ccps/Bush.html
For an opportunity to discuss the article, go to our eCircles site.
The Washington Post
February 1, 2001, Thursday, Final Edition
SECTION A; Pg. A01
. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mat,
On the grounds of the questions you ask, I
think you would not be unhappy with (most) of
the social capital
Well, of course in a very crude sense, what
yuppies call "networking" may well be simply a
matter of accumulating social capital. Certainly
to the extent that such networking leads not only
to "contacts," but to mutual backscratching and
quid pro quos. The latter certainly look
Has anybody noticed that "faith-based initiatives"
have the initials FBI?
Barkley Rosser
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At 08:45 PM 02/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Mat,
Actually we may be about to see a bunch
of economists trying to pigeonhole this idea
into more standard contexts. Expect game
theory (evolution of cooperation). Expect
minimizing transactions costs in new institutional
contexts. I have no
Michael Perelman wrote:
Once you leave the realm of Adam Smith's beaver and deer, everything gets
fuzzy. I mentioned goodwill as another example. While a piece of
software used as capital may resemble a machine more than Mickey Mouse, on
the accountant's books such distinctions can
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Everything is social to begin with? What is that supposed to mean.?
In the beginning God made the social and saw that it was
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Everything is social to begin with? What is that supposed to mean.?
In the beginning God made the social and saw that it
At 02:07 PM 2/13/01 -0600, you wrote:
I should make clear, if my earlier post did not, that my problem is with the
word "capital." Capital is very important to the study of capitalism (duh) and
we can't just go throwing it around all over.
Assassinating Bourdieu would be the quickest end. I
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