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From: "Yoshie Furuhashi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is possible that some American liberals leftists actually
understood the essence of the American Prince's role in the Yugoslav
civil wars (and what happened before and after them) and said with
open
En relación a [PEN-L:2978] RE: Re: Memory History: Herman Mel,
el 10 Oct 00, a las 20:05, Lisa Ian Murray dijo:
Nestor,
Do you mean this to say that nationalism is still desirable as a form
of cultural defense against the Americanization of everything?
Ian
I am a socialist, I don't
I guess I am part of the stupid left that is blinkered by imperialist propaganda. I
don't see see how the ratio of state ownership in the former Yugoslavia is deeply
relevant to socialism or whether the regime was worth defending; I am aware that it
was high, but it was as high or higher in
Justin:
I guess I am part of the stupid left that is blinkered by imperialist
propaganda. I don't see see how the ratio of state ownership in the former
Yugoslavia is deeply relevant to socialism or whether the regime was worth
defending; I am aware that it was high, but it was as high or higher
Louis wrote:
The ratio of state ownership is deeply relevant. It helps to provide a
job. Jobs are necessary for life. With privatization, you get
unemployment. With unemployment you get begging, starvation, prostitution
and despair. Very important questions to the working class, which is the
Jim Devine:
Do you believe that state ownership automatically creates a job? It's not
true in Algeria, for example, where the state ownership of the oil industry
coexists with high unemployment (one factor that has encouraged the Islamic
movement against the government there). Also, even in
En relación a [PEN-L:3000] Re: Memory History: Herman Melvill,
el 11 Oct 00, a las 12:28, Louis Proyect dijo:
I would only add to their excellent article that social democracy is
only possible in imperialist countries. In Costa Rica, the one place
it occurred in the Third World, market
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From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:11 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:2998] Re: Re: Re: Re: Memory History: Herman Melville's
_Benito Cereno_ (was Re: Yugoslavia to fSU and Chile)
Louis wrote:
The ratio of state ownership is deeply
11, 2000 8:44 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:3029] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Memory History: Herman
Melville's _Benito Cereno_ (was Re: Yugoslavia to fSU and Chile)
I agree that state or rather some type of collective ownership is a
necessary but not a sufficient condition for socialism. Among the positive
Yoshie Furuhashi dijo:
What has not changed,
however, is the idea that it is Americans who should bring criminals
of the world to justice. It goes without saying that this self-image
makes Americans forget the fact that they are the biggest criminals:
the only remaining superpower
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