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2001-01-25 Thread Justin Schwartz
The Wall St. Journal, Apr. 26, 1990, On What Milken Pleaded Do He Admits Cheating Clients And Plotting With Boesky To Assist a Posner Raid --- Teary Scene in the Courtroom By Laurie P. Cohen Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal NEW YORK -- He was almost at the end of a detailed confessio

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2001-01-25 Thread Jim Devine
Slobodan wrote: >I have a friend who is a rabbi and knows Milken. He is impressed with him >because he gives lots of money to various Jewish charities apparently, >some of which would probably not be approved of by many on this list >because of their links to Israel. But, I gather his charitab

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-25 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
I have a friend who is a rabbi and knows Milken. He is impressed with him because he gives lots of money to various Jewish charities apparently, some of which would probably not be approved of by many on this list because of their links to Israel. But, I gather his charitable giving extends w

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-25 Thread Peter Dorman
I understand David's point about the importance of opening up finance, but the junk bond revolution was not a good way to do it. First, it has saddled firms with a higher level of debt, which has increased general financial fragility and also tends (ceteris paribus) to shorten firms' planning hor

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-25 Thread Jim Devine
David Shemano wrote: >As part of the 1982 banking deregulation, the Congress in its infinite >wisdom permitted savings and loans to invest in whatever they wanted, and >at the same time increased deposit insurance to $100,000. As a result, >[some] depositors put their money wherever they got t

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2001-01-24 Thread Doug Henwood
Ken Hanly wrote: >What was "fraudulent" about the deals? Every junk bond prospectus was freighted with warnings about how risky the securities were (and still are). Whoever bought the things knew that, and either thought the risk was worth it or didn't think about risk at all. Doug

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread Doug Henwood
David Shemano wrote: >The ones who complained, as has been stated, were the old crowd. When it >comes down to it, Milken was a new-money Jew lending money to other >new-money Jews to takeover corporations run by old-line management. This is an unspoken subtext of the whole affair. Rohatyn playe

Re: Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread Ken Hanly
What was "fraudulent" about the deals? Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - From: Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:21 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7233] Re: RE: Re: Free Mike! > When a discussion seems

RE: Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread David Shemano
id Shemano -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7233] Re: RE: Re: Free Mike! When a discussion seems to involve only 2 people on the list, I usually suggest

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Perelman
When a discussion seems to involve only 2 people on the list, I usually suggest to shut it down. So, I will respond to David and let him have then last word. My father met both Ron Perelman and S. J. Perelman, but neither seen to be related to us in any way that we could discover. David's examp

RE: Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread David Shemano
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Perelman Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7227] Re: RE: Re: Free Mike! The most famous case was Charles Hurwitz. Pension funds were removed to use in speculation, replaced by one provided by an insurance co

Re: RE: Re: Free Mike!

2001-01-24 Thread Michael Perelman
The most famous case was Charles Hurwitz. Pension funds were removed to use in speculation, replaced by one provided by an insurance company that flopped. On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 05:38:28PM -0800, David Shemano wrote: > Michael -- > > Without arguing about what Milken actually did as opposed to

RE: Re: RE: Free Mike!

2001-01-23 Thread David Shemano
Doug Henwood wrote: - >Milken got screwed. He was not charged with, and never convicted of, >insider trading. In fact, I bet there is not a single person on this list >who has a clue what he was charged with and how trivial the charges actually >were. Even more challenging: