RE: RE: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-14 Thread Davies, Daniel
>If you want more specificity, consider another two-good economy. >Sector A produces 10 units of A, using 9 units of A and 1 unit of >labor. Sector B produces 3 units of B, using up 2 units of A and >1 unit of labor. So there's a positive net product of B, 3 units, >and a negative net product of

Re: RE: Re: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>I'm not sure what the below is in response to, but briefly: Andrew, If you are going to address me, please use my name at some point. Please do not use the passive voice as Jim D in replying to one of claims. "It has been asserted that..." For example, you could have said "I'm not sure what

RE: RE: RE: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Drewk
Mat: "I have perused a couple of your papers on the web" The published stuff is usually better in order to gain a basic understanding of the issues from the ground up. For economists who understand the technicalities of some of the other interpretations, the piece I'd recommend one reads first

RE: RE: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Drewk, I'll have to admit I have perused a couple of your papers on the web and I'm interested in understanding your argument(s). I have looked at some of your and your colleagues stuff in the past but I have not really devoted myself to a careful study. I am always interested in anything that c

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I don't see the problem with the notion of a physical surplus. The surplus product is production over and above production of the (socially and historically determined) means of subsistence. My understanding is that the time required to produce the means of subsistence is necessary labor time.

Re: RE: Re: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>I actually do deny the existence of a physical surplus, in the >real world. ok Andrew you deny the existence of A physical surplus. > >The concept is appealing, but ultimately meaningless. Physical >things are heterogeneous, and there are surpluses of some, >deficits of others. There cannot

Re:Re: RE: Re: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Resende Manuel
Drewk wrote: >The silence about this issue is deafening. > >What's the sound of one side suppressing Marx? You have only to >listen to the silence. Doug wrote: >Wow, heavy. You mean if this suppression hadn't occurred, we'd be >living under socialism by now? Dear Doug: By your reaction, you ar

Re: RE: Re: Re: marx's proof regarding surplusvalue and profit

2002-03-13 Thread Doug Henwood
Drewk wrote: >The silence about this issue is deafening. > >What's the sound of one side suppressing Marx? You have only to >listen to the silence. Wow, heavy. You mean if this suppression hadn't occurred, we'd be living under socialism by now? Doug