Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Waistline2
>I am not sure that distribution should be at the center.  An autoworker with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a good life.  Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of time. < The "economics of time" provides an entry point into the logic of the

Re: RE: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I thot it was surplus value that was redistributed > in the first place. > > love me, love me, love me, I'm a RD liberal . . . > > mbs > = Appropriated.. Quite apart from this crude tearing-apar

Re: Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Bill Lear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Harry Glasbeek has made a very firm contribution to economic justice > in his book *Wealth by Stealth: Corporate Crime, Corporate Law, and > the Perversion of Democracy* (Between the Lines, 2003). = An excellent

Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Louis Proyect
Tom Walker wrote: Holy Nassau Senior, Perelman! What will become of the morals of our children and young people if those auto workers are turned out of the warm, pure atmosphere of the factory into the heartless and frivolous outer world? What constitutes the alienation of labour? Firstly, the

RE: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Max B. Sawicky
I thot it was surplus value that was redistributed in the first place. love me, love me, love me, I'm a RD liberal . . . mbs On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:21:50AM -0500, Drewk wrote: > Well, thank god someone -- Chris Burford -- got to the point: > > "whether left wing political economy should p

Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: > > I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker > with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a > good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of > time. It has always seemed to me that what

Re: Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Louis Proyect
Carrol Cox wrote: blunting working-class power in the imperialist center. I don't think Lenin was right about super-profits providing a bribe for imperialist workers, but that is quite secondary to his core perception that imperialism, _in some way_, underwrites opportunism in the working class.

Re: Re: redistributionist liberals

2003-02-06 Thread Bill Lear
On Thursday, February 6, 2003 at 07:49:04 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes: >I am not sure that distribution should be at the center. An auto worker >with 30 hours of overtime makes a good wage, but probably does not lead a >good life. Marx said that all economics comes down to the economics of >t