RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Colin Danby
>From Jim: > For example, in his CAN "IT" HAPPEN AGAIN?, Minsky has a clearly-defined > distinction between hedge financing, speculative financing, and Ponzi > financing. Right, but this is a distinction about the mode of financing, not about the character of the asset financed, and changes in f

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Brad DeLong
>Peter Dorman wrote: > >>Brad, I think the context of this discussion should make it clear that the >>distinction hovers loosely around Keynes, who flirted with it. The issue is >>not the evils of finance, bankers, cosmopolitan Jews (of which I am one), >>etc., but analytically whether the channe

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real"investment

2001-01-10 Thread Brad DeLong
>Brad, I think the context of this discussion should make it clear that the >distinction hovers loosely around Keynes, who flirted with it. It does indeed. Not one of his nicer intellectual moves... Brad DeLong

Re: "Speculative" vs "real"investment

2001-01-10 Thread Peter Dorman
Aha, now it can be told. Keyne's macro heresies were just a sublimation of his deep-seated anti-semitism... Peter Doug Henwood wrote: > Peter Dorman wrote: > > >Brad, I think the context of this discussion should make it clear that the > >distinction hovers loosely around Keynes, who flirted w

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real"investment

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Peter Dorman wrote: >Brad, I think the context of this discussion should make it clear that the >distinction hovers loosely around Keynes, who flirted with it. The issue is >not the evils of finance, bankers, cosmopolitan Jews (of which I am one), >etc., but analytically whether the channeling o

Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Peter Dorman
Brad, I think the context of this discussion should make it clear that the distinction hovers loosely around Keynes, who flirted with it. The issue is not the evils of finance, bankers, cosmopolitan Jews (of which I am one), etc., but analytically whether the channeling of finance to markets in e

Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Doug Henwood
Brad DeLong wrote: >>For the record, I'm not in favor of any and all profit-driven investment >>programs. I do think we need to understand better how the system works, >>however. It is not clear to me (or to lots of other folks on and >>off this list) >>whether the "speculative versus real fin

Re: Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Jim Devine
At 08:05 AM 1/10/01 -0800, you wrote: >>For the record, I'm not in favor of any and all profit-driven investment >>programs. I do think we need to understand better how the system works, >>however. It is not clear to me (or to lots of other folks on and off >>this list) >>whether the "speculati

Re: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-10 Thread Brad DeLong
>For the record, I'm not in favor of any and all profit-driven investment >programs. I do think we need to understand better how the system works, >however. It is not clear to me (or to lots of other folks on and >off this list) >whether the "speculative versus real finance" story is logically

RE: Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-09 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
For the record, I'm not in favor of any and all profit-driven investment programs. I do think we need to understand better how the system works, however. It is not clear to me (or to lots of other folks on and off this list) whether the "speculative versus real finance" story is logically

Re: RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-09 Thread Peter Dorman
For the record, I'm not in favor of any and all profit-driven investment programs. I do think we need to understand better how the system works, however. It is not clear to me (or to lots of other folks on and off this list) whether the "speculative versus real finance" story is logically sound.

RE: "Speculative" vs "real" investment

2001-01-09 Thread Lisa & Ian Murray
> Barnet Wagman wrote: > > > > Once current income starts whirling around in the speculative > > > sector, it can stay there for a very long time. > > > > This is an issue that I've never seen addressed very clearly. Actually, > > I'm not sure I've ever really seen it addressed at all (except i