Jim D notes,
... but pen-l is the right place for quibbling. If I remember correctly,
the words corporation and corporate had a different meaning for
Mussolini than it does today. He was referring to tripartite
organizations of capital, labor, and government designed to smooth over
social
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique. Hoover had a similar
version. Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly different.
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:19:47AM -0800, Devine, James wrote:
[was: RE:
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35286] Re: fascism?
Michael Perelman writes:
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique. Hoover had a similar
version. Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly different.
The corporatism
- Original Message -
From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique. Hoover had a similar
version. Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly different.
Title: Re: fascism?
This is
available through my web page:
From:
Power versus the Public Good: The Conundrum of the Individual and
Society
1966 Hagey Lecture
by
John Ralston Saul
There is a whole new neo-corporatist school
around. There are a lot of people, I don't know whether
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35288] Re: Re: fascism?
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
Also, the Italian idea was not entirely unique. Hoover had
a similar
version. Roosevelt's NRA (not Bush's) was not terribly different.
Ian writes:
A quick
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From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:28 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:35286] Re: fascism?
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
==
Present political
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From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:05 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:35290] RE: Re: Re: fascism?
I have tried to run down the Mussolini quote several times,
unsuccessfully.
Also, the Italian idea
Title: RE: [PEN-L:35292] Re: RE: Re: Re: fascism?
I wrote:
Ian, isn't that from the journal published by Holocaust deniers? (But then
again, who would be better to describe fascism than fascists?)
Exactly. James Whisker's reading of the rise of Italian
fascism dovetails pretty
closely
An interesting novel about Italy in the '30s when Mussolini was taking
over Ethiopia is Christ Stopped at Eboli.
Its description of the peasants' politics and occasional misdirected
and fruitless violence evokes for me, somehow, today's USA.
Gene Coyle
Devine, James wrote:
I wrote:
Ian,
The other great one is Fontamara by Ignazio Silone.
Joanna
At 12:46 PM 03/04/2003 -0800, you wrote:
An interesting novel about Italy in the '30s when Mussolini was taking
over Ethiopia is Christ Stopped at Eboli.
Its description of the peasants' politics and occasional
misdirected and
excellent comments, jim, of course, teh dictionary
definitions follow ideological usage, as one might expect especially after
reading raymond williams analysis of literature as reflection of class
structure and
hegemonic values.
Of course dictionary definitions reflect ideology, but it's
, especially in private life -- de Certeau's practices Lefebvre's
rhythms or daily life.
-Original Message-
From: Devine, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:50 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [PEN-L:20605] RE: RE: Fascism
excellent comments, jim
Jamil writes:
As well, I disagree about modernization globalization being homogenizing
factors any more than pre-modern cultures of poverty had certain
similarities on a physical plane, e.g., hunger is hunger. Yet even what is
a
shared phenomenon such as hunger' is perceived and responded
seem parallel between Turkey Argentina.
More later.
jb
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:48 PM
To: PEN-L
Subject: [PEN-L:20613] RE: RE: RE: Fascism
Jamil writes:
As well, I disagree about modernization globalization
Devine, James wrote:
I would emphasize the role of modes of production -- and their incumbent
classes -- plus modes of reproduction (families, kinship, etc.) over
culture. The latter seems a bit vague to me. But then I'm not an
anthropologist.
Culture is a word in respect to which
Fascism is not a very useful term. It is one of those
it-means-whatever-I-think-it-means words. The Mussolini-Herbert Hoover
vision does have business and government and, to a minor extent of some
co-opted labor leaders collaborating. Fascism is also equated with
totalitarianism. In addition,
excellent comments, jim, of course, teh dictionary definitions follow
ideological usage, as one might expect especially after reading raymond
williams analysis of literature as reflection of class structure and
hegemonic values.
My only rebuttal would be in that class structure and power
good comment, Michael, but this raises a question about how American
neo-liberalism (here I assume the classic laissez faire usage) finds no need
to organize labour into its own fasci -- a pillar or bundle of sticks,
representing paterfamilias, or the roman clan system.
Unlike the corporatist
Ajit Sinha wrote:
Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of
course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha
Check out http://www.panix.com/~dhenwood/Jerry-Brown.html.
Doug
. . .
Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of
course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha
No, you weren't. At that time he was the best
hope of shaking up the primaries and averting
the Clinton primary victory we have come to
regret. I tried
Carrol Cox wrote:
My own best
guess as to what an American "Hitler" would look like is Jerry
Brown of California.
Hay, I tried to get a few votes for Jerry Brown in the primaries. I, of
course, didn't have a vote. Was I so wrong? Cheers, ajit sinha
"Craven, Jim" wrote:
"Only one thing could have broken our movement: if the adversary had
understood its principle and from the first day had smashed with extreme
brutality the nucleus of our new movement."
Adolf Hitler (Speech to Nuremberg Congress, September 3, 1933)
"I am afraid of
Hi Carrol,
I agree with everything you have written 100%. That is why I also attached
(to provoke thought not as any "proof")the comment by Bertram Gross about
new forms of fascism under new
historical/geopolitical/cultural/political/economic conditions not being a
replica--in forms--of any
On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Charles Brown wrote:
Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/12/99 04:24PM
(1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of course it
can) is not the same as the question of whether Fascism *will* or is
apt to happen here -- the latter question depends partly
Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/12/99 04:24PM
(1) The question of whether Fascism *can* happen here (of course it
can) is not the same as the question of whether Fascism *will* or is
apt to happen here -- the latter question depends partly on the *need*
the u.s. ruling class might feel to
On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Doug Henwood wrote:
As distasteful as it may sound, has it occured to anyone to read the "other
side"?
I highly recommend Mein Kampf, though I don't have the time to be its
official representative.
_Now_ I can suggest my reading `The Memoirs of General
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On Wed, 1 Nov 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't tell if the post I got was truncated by the Demon Who Lives in
the Internet, but I saw no information on how to
As distasteful as it may sound, has it occured to anyone to read the "other
side"?
Here is our syllabus:
authortitle
Marx 18th Brumaire
Woodward Tom Watson, Agrarian Rebel
GramsciPre-prison
At 10:56 AM 11/1/95, Tom Walker wrote:
As distasteful as it may sound, has it occured to anyone to read the "other
side"?
I highly recommend Mein Kampf, though I don't have the time to be its
official representative.
Doug
--
Doug Henwood
Left Business Observer
250 W 85 St
New York NY
Since I am doing a paper for the aea which compares nineteenth century
charity policies with the contract on america, i went and actually plunked
down money, cash, on newt gingrich's contract on america. i appologized to
the clerk at barnes and noble for buying the book (like she really gave a
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