Title: RE: oilism redux
Has someone estimated the date of the "Global Hubbert Peak"? when is it? how does it change if people make an effort to conserve on the use of petroleum?
(Also, some people may want the "Global Hubbert Peak" defined.)
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From: "Mark Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Fatalism has nothing whatever to do with the Global Hubbert eak. Accusing
> people of fatalism who accept the geological evidence about the extremely
> limited original natural endowment of hydrocarbons is like calling someo
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> Ian wrote:
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> > Not that I advocate a technocracy; just that there are still
> > a lot of very smart people on our planet who reject "fatalism"
> > in all its forms.
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Fatalism has nothing whatever to do with the Global Hubbert Peak. Accusing
people of fatalism who accept the geological
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30752] Re: RE: oilism redux
> > Ian wrote:
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> > > Not to quibble, but given what we know of physics,
> > > ecology etc. there can be no such thing as an energy
> > > crisis in our niche of the cosmos.
> >
> > But there c
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> Ian wrote:
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> > Not that I advocate a technocracy; just that there are still
> > a lot of very smart people on our planet who reject "fatalism"
> > in all its forms.
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Fatalism has nothing whatever to do with the Global Hubbert eak. Accusing
people of fatalism who accept the geological
Yup. As I've been saying on LBO for several years, War with a Real Country.
It's in the cards.
The oil card is clearly a factor in the current tug-of-war between Baghdad,
Washington and key members of the U.N. Security Council that oppose the Bush
administration's push for a military move on I
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From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I reject it too and I don't think Mark would disagree with that
> either. So, I am not sure what is being dabeted here.
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> Sabri
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I was merely responding to Max' claims...[30743]
Ian
Ian wrote:
> I follow Veblen somewhat on this score; the
scientists-engineers
> will gain sufficient political influence over the current crop
> of morons.
Hey! This is my whole purpose as a scientist and engineer. Why do
you think I am here? I had enough of these current crop of
morons.
> Not
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From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PEN-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:30746] RE: oilism redux
> Ian wrote:
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> > Not to quibble, but given what we know of physics,
You can hear "Loving on Petrol" at: http://www.marxmail.org/petrol.mp3.
Mine Doyran has been using Kazaa to download this song and other songs
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available at record stores or from cdnow.com, etc. I strongly suspect
that 80 pe
> Ian wrote:
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>> Not to quibble, but given what we know of physics,
>> ecology etc. there can be no such thing as an energy
>> crisis in our niche of the cosmos.
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> But there can be an oil crisis, can't there? Probably
> that day is not tomorrow but, sooner or later, there
> will come a day when
Ian wrote:
> Not to quibble, but given what we know of physics,
> ecology etc. there can be no such thing as an energy
> crisis in our niche of the cosmos.
But there can be an oil crisis, can't there? Probably that day is
not tomorrow but, sooner or later, there will come a day when we
will run
washingtonpost.com
The U.S., Russia And Iraqi Oil
By Eugene Rumer
Monday, September 30, 2002; Page A19
Giants of the American and Russian oil industries will come together in
Houston this week for the first U.S.-Russia Commercial Energy Summit. The
event will bring together Cabinet members, top
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From: "Max B. Sawicky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:30743] RE: oilism redux
It couldn't be more obvious that the proposed Bush reorientation
of U.S. grand strategy
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30730] oilism redux
Mark Jones writes:
> In times past some people on this list somewhat sneeringly referred to
> the notion that energy politics might be an important cause of capitalist
> crisis and of war as 'oilism'. Those of us who argued that apocalyptic
> energy crises
It couldn't be more obvious that the proposed Bush reorientation
of U.S. grand strategy is centered on oil, albeit with lots of
accompanying political schemes. But energy crisis is a separate
question.
Another point is that there does seem to be some disagreement
among elites over this policy, a
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of joanna bujes
> Sent: 30 September 2002 20:48
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:30731] Re: oilism redux
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>.As for "doomed"...not
> America, just
> the
At 08:27 PM 09/30/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Here's how the US news media now tends to rpesent the case for US predation
>in the Middle East. We're seeing a lot of this kind of 'bonanza' stuff but
>what they don't talk about is what will happen if they _don't_ get their
>hands on Iraqi oil, for whate
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