Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-26 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:54:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Charles Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On the necessity of socialism > by Waistline2 > 22 February 2002 19:17 UTC > > > > > Melvin: > > On and off I have followed the politics of the CPUSA a little over thirty

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-25 Thread Carrol Cox
Sabri Oncu wrote: > > > > Dear Carrol, > > Why are you being so picky? Look, we the non-native speakers are > not as good as you are in this bloody language, O.K.? To some of > us, including myself, there is not much difference between > necessity, certainty and the like. That's the trouble

Re: Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-25 Thread Sabri Oncu
> Socialism is necessary in the sense in which food is > necessary: not as something which will be but as something > that must be if we are to survive. > > It is pure religiosity to claim that socialism _will_ come; > it is close to self-evident that unless it comes we will > plunge ever deeper i

Re: Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-24 Thread Carrol Cox
miyachi wrote: > > > There is not "necessity of socialism" Rather, there is only possibility of > socialism. Socialism is necessary in the sense in which food is necessary: not as something which will be but as something that must be if we are to survive. It is pure religiosity to claim that

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread Sabri Oncu
Miyachi wrote: > Most important is that Marx tried firstly to prove > ability of working class to destroy civil society, > not tried to explain economical phenomena from > without. In Japan, from pre-war to 1960', Marxists > focused mainly market analysis modeled after Stalin's > dogma. Its obje

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread miyachi
on 2002.02.23 05:20 PM, Rakesh Bhandari at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> In response to Doug's (tongue-in-cheek?) comment >> >>> Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >>> attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >>> something addictively divisive

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-23 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>In response to Doug's (tongue-in-cheek?) comment > >>Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >>attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >>something addictively divisive but politically irrelevant. > >Charles writes > >>Charles: Isn't it worse tha

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism 2

2002-02-22 Thread Waistline2
A New Era - A New Doctrine II The teaching of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels is all-powerful because it is true. Marx was a genius because he was able before anyone else to abstract from all the writings of history the law system that governed changes in society. Using the law system he di

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism and grammar

2002-02-22 Thread Ken Hanly
essage - From: "Tom Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: [PEN-L:23057] Re: On the necessity of socialism and grammar > Sabri Oncu wrote, > > >> Um, as soon as we can figure out whether >

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Waistline2
And yet as brutal, raw and violent as it was, it didn't threaten the very future of humankind and the planet. Rosa Luxembourg said that the choices facing humanity at that time were either socialism or barbarism, but even the brilliant Rosa did not anticipate the new dangers that are in store fo

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 2/20/2002 2:37:31 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the necessity of socialism Author: Sam Webb, national chairman, Communist Party USA People's Weekly World Newspaper, Feb 16, 2002   During the CPUSA's pre-convention period about a year ago, we ha

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Gil Skillman
In response to Doug's (tongue-in-cheek?) comment >Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >something addictively divisive but politically irrelevant. Charles writes >Charles: Isn't it worse than that

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Eugene Coyle
In the spirit of Sabri Oncu's cheerleading the one I like best is "Go Reds, beat State." Gene Coyle Ian Murray wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Go Marxian economists, Go! > > > > > === > > Um, as soon as we can figure out wh

RE: RE: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Davies, Daniel
>Any forecasts on when we will be able to solve this transformation problem?< I have a most marvellous solution to this one, but it will not quite fit into this margin ... dd ___ Email Disclaimer This communication is for the attention of th

RE: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-22 Thread Devine, James
>Any forecasts on when we will be able to solve this transformation problem?< the transformation of capitalism into socialism? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism and grammar

2002-02-22 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Tom Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In fact, one might say that > the linguistic function of God is precisely to stand as other to all the > common parts of speech and thus to remind us of the incompleteness, the > inadequacy of any conceivable utterance. God is

Re: On the necessity of socialism and grammar

2002-02-22 Thread Tom Walker
Sabri Oncu wrote, >> Um, as soon as we can figure out whether >> God does or does not exist... >> >> Ian > >My dear Ian, > >This problem is not that difficult. I solved it when I was 14. I >realized that there was no difference between believing in the >existence or non-existence of God.

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-21 Thread Sabri Oncu
> Um, as soon as we can figure out whether > God does or does not exist... > > Ian My dear Ian, This problem is not that difficult. I solved it when I was 14. I realized that there was no difference between believing in the existence or non-existence of God. Both were believes, and for n

Re: Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-21 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Sabri Oncu wrote: > >>P.S: Any forecasts on when we will be able to solve this >>transformation problem? > >Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the >attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on >something addictively divisive but politically irrelev

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-21 Thread Doug Henwood
Sabri Oncu wrote: >P.S: Any forecasts on when we will be able to solve this >transformation problem? Never. It was a ruse devised by the bourgeoisie to occupy the attention of otherwise smart and knowledgeable Marxian economists on something addictively divisive but politically irrelevant. Do

Re: Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-21 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Sabri Oncu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Go Marxian economists, Go! > > It is good to be back and I look forward to watching more fights. > > Sabri > > P.S: Any forecasts on when we will be able to solve this > transformation problem? === Um, as soo

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-21 Thread Sabri Oncu
Friends, I have been away from the net for a while and now that I am back I see that in my absence you had sucessfully resolved many of the important issues, including the issue of politeness (Oh Boy! Am I glad or what?), and see that we are sailing through the very important issue of the necessi

Re: On the necessity of socialism

2002-02-20 Thread Chris Burford
At 20/02/02 15:19 -0500, >On the necessity of socialism > >Author: Sam Webb, national chairman, Communist Party USA > People's Weekly World Newspaper, Feb 16, 2002 There is much that is correct in this article. I appreciate periodically being able to read position statments from the CPUSA eve