Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: [PEN-L:16626] Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged > At 10:08 AM 09/03/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >thanks > >to the &q

Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Gar Lipow
And the misallocation here is not too much being spent on health care, but health care being paid for in an inefficient way (via private insurers). Total adminstration costs both in hospitals and the net insurance premium are at least 30% vs. between 5% and 15% in nations that have single payer ca

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
When analysts speak of a fiscal catastrophe some 50 years hence, what they are actually referring to, strictly in terms of scale, is a public sector analagous to the Euro social-democracies -- spending in the neighborhood of 40 percent. The bulk of this, again in terms of debatable scenarios, is

Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:08 AM 09/03/2001 -0700, you wrote: >thanks >to the "anti-grade inflation" movmement of the seventies and eighties, >students have to take more and harder classes to graduate. damn straight! and I think that business majors _should_ be forced to work hard. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & ht

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Tim Bousquet
I can't say overall, but there's pretty good figures for workers in the "bracero" program of 1942-1964. There were some 4 million Mexican workers brought in, and ten percent of their pay was withheld from 1942-1950, which was supposed to go to worker "savings accounts." They never got the money--

Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Gar Lipow
Hi Rob. Our current "peak" does not begin to match that of the sixties (at least here in the U.S -- which incidentally is still miles ahead of you Aussies in the scum sweepstakes). Among the reasons -- people have to work a hell of a lot harder for survival than was required in sixties. This in

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: >Also, many immigrants pay into social security without being able to >collect. Has anybody ever tried to quantify that effect? The SS Trustees reports use immigrants as one of the demographic variables, with higher levels of immigration meaning more solvency for the s

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Michael Perelman
Also, many immigrants pay into social security without being able to collect. Has anybody ever tried to quantify that effect? On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:20:13PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: > Gar Lipow wrote: > > >Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the > >ratio of s

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Gar Lipow wrote: >Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the >ratio of seniors to others is projected to occur alongside a drop in the >ratio of children to population -- so that the total "dependency" ratio >is projected to be a only a tiny bit higher than at present..

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Gar Lipow
Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the ratio of seniors to others is projected to occur alongside a drop in the ratio of children to population -- so that the total "dependency" ratio is projected to be a only a tiny bit higher than at present... Michael Perelman wr

Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Michael Perelman
You are correct. On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 08:15:05PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: > I wrote: > > > and what's wrong with an aging population? I don't think biology is > > destiny. > > Michael Perelman: > >The problem is that it means a high dependency ratio; just as is found in > >a very > >young p

Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > > and what's wrong with an aging population? I don't think biology is > destiny. Michael Perelman: >The problem is that it means a high dependency ratio; just as is found in >a very >young population. the dependency ratio doesn't automatically rise with the age of the population. I

Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Michael Perelman
The problem is that it means a high dependency ratio; just as is found in a very young population. Jim Devine wrote: > > and what's wrong with an aging population? I don't think biology is destiny. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chico, CA