Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Jim Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: [PEN-L:16626] Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged > At 10:08 AM 09/03/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >thanks > >to the &q

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
When analysts speak of a fiscal catastrophe some 50 years hence, what they are actually referring to, strictly in terms of scale, is a public sector analagous to the Euro social-democracies -- spending in the neighborhood of 40 percent. The bulk of this, again in terms of debatable scenarios, is

Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Jim Devine
At 10:08 AM 09/03/2001 -0700, you wrote: >thanks >to the "anti-grade inflation" movmement of the seventies and eighties, >students have to take more and harder classes to graduate. damn straight! and I think that business majors _should_ be forced to work hard. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & ht

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Tim Bousquet
I can't say overall, but there's pretty good figures for workers in the "bracero" program of 1942-1964. There were some 4 million Mexican workers brought in, and ten percent of their pay was withheld from 1942-1950, which was supposed to go to worker "savings accounts." They never got the money--

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: >Also, many immigrants pay into social security without being able to >collect. Has anybody ever tried to quantify that effect? The SS Trustees reports use immigrants as one of the demographic variables, with higher levels of immigration meaning more solvency for the s

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Michael Perelman
Also, many immigrants pay into social security without being able to collect. Has anybody ever tried to quantify that effect? On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 12:20:13PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: > Gar Lipow wrote: > > >Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the > >ratio of s

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Gar Lipow wrote: >Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the >ratio of seniors to others is projected to occur alongside a drop in the >ratio of children to population -- so that the total "dependency" ratio >is projected to be a only a tiny bit higher than at present..

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Gar Lipow
Also there is one other point. In the U.S, anyway the increase in the ratio of seniors to others is projected to occur alongside a drop in the ratio of children to population -- so that the total "dependency" ratio is projected to be a only a tiny bit higher than at present... Michael Perelman wr

Re: Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Michael Perelman
You are correct. On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 08:15:05PM -0700, Jim Devine wrote: > I wrote: > > > and what's wrong with an aging population? I don't think biology is > > destiny. > > Michael Perelman: > >The problem is that it means a high dependency ratio; just as is found in > >a very > >young p

Re: Re: Re: Atlas shrugged

2001-09-02 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > > and what's wrong with an aging population? I don't think biology is > destiny. Michael Perelman: >The problem is that it means a high dependency ratio; just as is found in >a very >young population. the dependency ratio doesn't automatically rise with the age of the population. I