Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/09/00 07:49PM
maybe he's suggesting that industrial capital as a social relationship
isn't a commodity. It involves a non-market (non-commodity) relationship of
domination of workers within production. (Of course, that authoritarianism
is within the
Mat F. writes:
My ref to Coase was that that seemed to me to be what you were describing
in your original post, that within the firm relations aren't determined by
market bargaining but by command. But your response indicates that you
seem to have understood what I was getting at?
yup.
As
I wrote that: maybe he's [George's] suggesting that industrial capital as
a social relationship isn't a commodity. It involves a non-market
(non-commodity) relationship of domination of workers within production.
(Of course, that authoritarianism is within the framework of a
Jim Devine wrote:
2) is labor power produced?
that's a tougher one. it is reproduced for sure. but maybe even produced.
it's produced (via sex, family nurturance, etc.), but the question is
whether it's produced as a commodity.
I think it's a bit more complicated. Sex at most
I have always liked Polanyi's designation of labour (land and
money) as "fictitious commodities" because they are treated as if
they were commodities (bought and sold on the market) but which
are not produced for the purpose of selling on the market.
Mathew Forstater wrote:
1) is labor
At 07:37 PM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
You have missed nothing, Mat. A commodity is something that is for sale.
Industrial capital is for sale everyday. The recent round of mergers and
takeovers demonstrate that without doubt.
George is in fact claiming that we do not live in a capitalist society.
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From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 6:58 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:17027] Re: Re: Re: Capital is wrong
At 07:37 PM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
You have missed nothing, Mat. A
On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Jim Devine wrote:
At 07:37 PM 3/9/00 -0500, you wrote:
You have missed nothing, Mat. A commodity is something that is for sale.
Industrial capital is for sale everyday. The recent round of mergers and
takeovers demonstrate that without doubt.
George is in fact
I wrote: maybe he's suggesting that industrial capital as a social
relationship isn't a commodity. It involves a non-market (non-commodity)
relationship of domination of workers within production. (Of course, that
authoritarianism is within the framework of a commodity-producing society
