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Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 3:07 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:19410] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re:
Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)
>Rob Schaap wrote:
>>if memory serves, Marx held out h
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Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd)
No I SAID Duma was a monarchial liberal institution to begin with (1905
February revolution). so why should such an autocratic institution be
maintained under socialism? A new regime requires new institutions and
political restruc
constitutional
>means within monarchies during his 1873 speech to the Working Men's
>Association at The Hague (I think he cited Britain and The Netherlands -
>both constitutional monarchies).
Rob, respectfully, you don't get it. Marx saw "constitutional means" a
pragmatic "vehicle" to achieve so
>Mine,
> The monarchy had already been overthrown by
>December 1917. The Duma Lenin shut down was
>not "under the patronage of the monarchy." The
>electoral winners, were socialists and revolutionary
>ones. Just a different brand than Lenin's Bolsheviks.
> Marx praised the direct ele
Rob Schaap wrote:
>if memory serves, Marx held out hope for revolution by constitutional
>means within monarchies during his 1873 speech
Memory serves you poorly. By 1873 Marx had already given up any hope or
expectation of proletarian revolution anywhere. He'd based his life on the
great throw o
No I SAID Duma was a monarchial liberal institution to begin with (1905
February revolution). so why should such an autocratic institution be
maintained under socialism? A new regime requires new institutions and
political restructuring. Duma was a transitory stage on the way to
socialim, once it
>Mine,
> The monarchy had already been overthrown by
>December 1917. The Duma Lenin shut down was
>not "under the patronage of the monarchy." The
>electoral winners, were socialists and revolutionary
>ones. Just a different brand than Lenin's Bolsheviks.
> Marx praised the direct elect
