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2000-05-22 Thread Rob Schaap
Mine, The monarchy had already been overthrown by December 1917. The Duma Lenin shut down was not "under the patronage of the monarchy." The electoral winners, were socialists and revolutionary ones. Just a different brand than Lenin's Bolsheviks. Marx praised the direct election of

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2000-05-22 Thread md7148
No I SAID Duma was a monarchial liberal institution to begin with (1905 February revolution). so why should such an autocratic institution be maintained under socialism? A new regime requires new institutions and political restructuring. Duma was a transitory stage on the way to socialim, once

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2000-05-22 Thread Mark Jones
Rob Schaap wrote: if memory serves, Marx held out hope for revolution by constitutional means within monarchies during his 1873 speech Memory serves you poorly. By 1873 Marx had already given up any hope or expectation of proletarian revolution anywhere. He'd based his life on the great throw of

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2000-05-22 Thread Brad De Long
Mine, The monarchy had already been overthrown by December 1917. The Duma Lenin shut down was not "under the patronage of the monarchy." The electoral winners, were socialists and revolutionary ones. Just a different brand than Lenin's Bolsheviks. Marx praised the direct election

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2000-05-22 Thread md7148
And, if memory serves, Marx held out hope for revolution by constitutional means within monarchies during his 1873 speech to the Working Men's Association at The Hague (I think he cited Britain and The Netherlands - both constitutional monarchies). Rob, respectfully, you don't get it. Marx saw

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2000-05-22 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) No I SAID Duma was a monarchial liberal institution to begin with (1905 February revolution). so why should such an autocratic institution be maintained under socialism? A new regime requires new institutions and political restructuring. Duma was a transit

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2000-05-22 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: [PEN-L:19410] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re:Re:Re:Re:MarxandMalleability (fwd) Rob Schaap wrote: if memory serves, Marx held out hope for revolution by constitutional