Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Sabri Oncu
I'd said: >It's awful, but I guess it beats slavery or feudalism. But it's also >a deeply contradictory system, producing wealth and possibility >alongside poverty and oppression. Doug Yes, you had but I still think you sometimes appear as appreciating the booms. Well, at least, this is my perc

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Sabri Oncu wrote: >Don't forget that this is not just a temporal/historical but also >a spatial/geographical system. Even at times of capitalist booms, >although the boom lifts some boats in certain locations, other >boats sink in certain other locations. I would say whether you >appreciate or ha

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Carl Remick
>From: Sabri Oncu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Don't forget that this is not just a temporal/historical but also >a spatial/geographical system. Even at times of capitalist booms, >although the boom lifts some boats in certain locations, other >boats sink in certain other locations. I would say whether

Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Sabri Oncu
Doug, I don't think anyone here would argue that when faced with a choice between less misery and more misery, people would chose less misery. By the way, I am using the word misery in its daily form without any theoretical connotation and mention this so that I don't find myself in a long debate

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Ian Murray
- Original Message - From: "Doug Henwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >A friend of mine who spent a few > years as a reporter in Vietnam interviewed Nike workers who told her > that they prefer their sweatshop jobs to what they would have been > doing otherwise - things like chasing rats in ric

Re: Re: Re: Re: Wade vs Wolf

2002-03-05 Thread Doug Henwood
Sabri Oncu wrote: >Let me ask you a direct question: Is it your point that >capitalism is not as bad a system as some of us here think it is? It's awful, but I guess it beats slavery or feudalism. But it's also a deeply contradictory system, producing wealth and possibility alongside poverty a